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mrussel1 said:I'm sorry, that first paragraph is meaningless. I read it six times and I can't draw any conclusion from it. All you're talking about is etymology. What terms do we better need to understand the relationship until moving onto what elements?
Now my apologies, perhaps it's because I operate it in a financial world and we don't speak in the abstract. I worked in a heavily academic financial environment for about 10 years and it was essentially mental masturbation. You had reams of analysts and engineers flowing through with data sets where 1. they couldn't draw concrete conclusions or 2. what they were recommending was completely unable to be operational. I think my friend @benjs has suffered through this in his career as well.
Your 2nd paragraph seems to be a bit of a non sequitur, but I'm not one to pass up an opportunity: the world of finance is completely abstract.
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mrussel1 said:Zero for me. Not once has anyone asked me about my three children like that. If they did, I'd probably punch the old codger in the nose.0
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cincybearcat said:I'd assume very few. But you have to understand you'd be in the vast minority and while many would have negative connotations in asking, many also would just like to understand. I get asked a lot of questions about a lot of things. Specifically related to parenting choices throughout all the years. It's not uncommon or unique for people to ask questions and even judge your parenting choices.0
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ecdanc said:Was your initial decision to raise your daughter as a daughter a conscious choice? I.e., did you sit down and ask "should we raise our child as a girl?"hippiemom = goodness0
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cincybearcat said:Ummmm maybe since I wanted a girl more than anything, though certainly not in regards to marketing “girl” things.0
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ecdanc said:Quick followup clarification, if I may. It sounds like you're saying to find out you were excited to *learn* you were having a girl, not that you decided to raise her as a girl. Is that right?
I was excited for a girl because, in my experience, they are quicker learners, develop faster and are more thoughtful. And adorable. Boys are mainly gross
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ecdanc said:Since you've tried to function as tone police a few times, I'm going to do the same for you: your inability to understand what I'm saying does not make what I'm saying meaningless. Just ask me about the parts/words you don't understand. I'm really trying to simplify things as much as I can, so help me help you.
Your 2nd paragraph seems to be a bit of a non sequitur, but I'm not one to pass up an opportunity: the world of finance is completely abstract.
And finance is not abstract in practice. You make analytically informed decisions, weigh the risk factors, and move forward. Otherwise you get nothing done and generate only expenses.0 -
cincybearcat said:Correct. But knowing the world in which I live in I was excited to raise a girl that could be everything (and to me she is and she has the potential to be amazing her whole life...I’m biased though).
I was excited for a girl because, in my experience, they are quicker learners, develop faster and are more thoughtful. And adorable. Boys are mainly gross0 -
mrussel1 said:I asked the question. I'll type it again: What terms do we better need to understand the relationship until moving onto what elements? This is what I need to understand to understand what you are saying. You said "We need to get the relationship of these terms figured out before we onto the other elements". I'm asking what terms and what elements. Make that statement again, with more detail.
And finance is not abstract in practice. You make analytically informed decisions, weigh the risk factors, and move forward. Otherwise you get nothing done and generate only expenses.
I'm gonna let the other part drop, because I'm not trying to pick that fight. I'd just say: maybe try not to be so dismissive of academic thought.0 -
ecdanc said:Quick followup clarification, if I may. It sounds like you're saying to find out you were excited to *learn* you were having a girl, not that you decided to raise her as a girl. Is that right?Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0
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mrussel1 said:I asked the question. I'll type it again: What terms do we better need to understand the relationship until moving onto what elements? This is what I need to understand to understand what you are saying. You said "We need to get the relationship of these terms figured out before we onto the other elements". I'm asking what terms and what elements. Make that statement again, with more detail.
And finance is not abstract in practice. You make analytically informed decisions, weigh the risk factors, and move forward. Otherwise you get nothing done and generate only expenses.0 -
mcgruff10 said:See all five of our kids we raise as boys and girls. What they end up choosing later on in life is up to them and I will love them all no matter what. I just don’t think the gender neutral thing benefits anyone. Imo calling them he/she has no bearing on whether or not they are trans. If anything I would think gender neutral would confuse a kid even more.0
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ecdanc said:Do you not worry that if one of your kids is a transgender person they might feel pressure to adhere to the assigned gender identity you embrace for them? And that the implicit pressure they feel might produce some trauma?
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ecdanc said:I was trying to be polite. When I said, "we need go get the relationship of these terms figured out..." i was trying to gently say "you're entirely misunderstanding what I'm saying." Being as generous as I could with your post, I was suggesting that you might have a point about the relationship between patriarchy and gender, but you needed to back up, because your point wasn't responding to what I actually said. So, let me ask, which part of the relationship between gender and patriarchy are you struggling with?
I'm gonna let the other part drop, because I'm not trying to pick that fight. I'd just say: maybe try not to be so dismissive of academic thought.
I'm not dissing academia. I spent my fair share in post graduate schooling. My brother is a PhD in history and we argue all the time about fascinating topics. Although he was so fed up with that life, that he's now an IT executive at Verizon Business. Academia is great for its environment, but in the world where you have a P&L, you kinda have to make decisions and execute. You can't labor on the mental masturbation part. That's my point.0 -
ecdanc said:Do you not worry that if one of your kids is a transgender person they might feel pressure to adhere to the assigned gender identity you embrace for them? And that the implicit pressure they feel might produce some trauma?No.
We’ve raised our daughter around all types of people and with re-assurance on everything. Focusing on people being different and some choices they make are up to them (if there is a choice to be made) and other times it’s just people figuring out who they really are. I have no fear that if she confronts something like that, she will not have any issues from us. Sure, there will be pressure in her world, but she’s have support. I will say, now that she’s 12 (and really from a much younger age) it was pretty easy to see she was being her full self and wasn’t going to have any of these questions or doubts.hippiemom = goodness0 -
ecdanc said:Since you've tried to function as tone police a few times, I'm going to do the same for you: your inability to understand what I'm saying does not make what I'm saying meaningless. Just ask me about the parts/words you don't understand. I'm really trying to simplify things as much as I can, so help me help you.
Your 2nd paragraph seems to be a bit of a non sequitur, but I'm not one to pass up an opportunity: the world of finance is completely abstract.
Next, your statement very clearly reads that the existence of genders is the catalyst to an exploitable power dynamic where men receive the advantage. I might agree with you if we didn't see so many non-gender patterns of people organizing themselves into groups, one group recognizing a unique advantage and exploiting the situation, and disregarding those who are poised to be in a losing position. Religion. Politics. Nationalism.
If we are universally opposed to divisions, it's time to stop talking about categories of division, and instead commit to actively embrace differences - the universal catalyst to reparations between fractured societies. Until our attitude surrounding those who differ from us becomes a positive one instead of a negative one, this divide won't heal, at best it just won't worsen.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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benjs said:First, as the financial analyst on here has already stated - no, the financial world does not operate in abstracts. If you don't effectively mitigate financial risk, make decisions logically, show tangible results, you do not reap financial benefit, nor climb in that world. That's almost the exact opposite of "completely abstract". I could tell you this just from contact with financial advisors throughout my not-yet-30 years on this planet.
Next, your statement very clearly reads that the existence of genders is the catalyst to an exploitable power dynamic where men receive the advantage. I might agree with you if we didn't see so many non-gender patterns of people organizing themselves into groups, one group recognizing a unique advantage and exploiting the situation, and disregarding those who are poised to be in a losing position. Religion. Politics. Nationalism.
If we are universally opposed to divisions, it's time to stop talking about categories of division, and instead commit to actively embrace differences - the universal catalyst to reparations between fractured societies. Until our attitude surrounding those who differ from us becomes a positive one instead of a negative one, this divide won't heal, at best it just won't worsen.0 -
ecdanc said:I was trying to be polite. When I said, "we need go get the relationship of these terms figured out..." i was trying to gently say "you're entirely misunderstanding what I'm saying." Being as generous as I could with your post, I was suggesting that you might have a point about the relationship between patriarchy and gender, but you needed to back up, because your point wasn't responding to what I actually said. So, let me ask, which part of the relationship between gender and patriarchy are you struggling with?
I'm gonna let the other part drop, because I'm not trying to pick that fight. I'd just say: maybe try not to be so dismissive of academic thought.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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mrussel1 said:See this is why I love Ben. He just brought a great argument and came from a different angle from where I was. The last paragraph is a winner. We are just creating more subgroups, getting further away from e pluribus unum.
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mcgruff10 said:'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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