The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Nope. Not unless you’re a TERF. But fuck them.mickeyrat said:
so by your logic champ, being protrans in this instance makes you anti-womenecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.0 -
So yes, Brock Lesnar should be let into the ring, Usain Bolt on the track. Just by starting therapy. Seems to be a very uneven playing field for competition. And in the fighting example, very dangerous for a cis woman. Do you care more about the feelings of a trans woman than the health of a cis one? I have a hard time squaring all of this. We're talking about sports, not marriage, civil rights, etc. It's a more complex argument.ecdanc said:
Trans women are women. Period. What’s left to discuss?HughFreakingDillon said:
i asked the same thing using brock lesnar as an example. crickets. this whole all encompassing "you need to let (x group of people) do what they want or you are anti-(that group)!". it's nonsense.mrussel1 said:
Struggling with your view here, so let me make sure I'm not just uninformed. If Usain Bolt started taking hormone replacement therapy to transition to a woman, he (today) should be able to compete against cis women, and that's an equal playing field?ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
moving on.0 -
https://jme.bmj.com/content/45/6/395ecdanc said:
Sorry, man, I’ll defer to the experts over internet Hugh.mcgruff10 said:I 100% agree with Hugh and there is no way that view is anti trans.
and i will defer to the science over internet ecdancYour boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0 -
Because we try to be enlightened and science has been the way since the middle ages. What do you trust? Your gut? Trump the anti-science guy? Is that a real counterargument?ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0 -
got it from the short article i posted. but of course you have no interest in reading it.ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
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"why are we trusting science" is the only question you need to know about someone's thought processes and why they should be discounted and ignored.
back to bernie..........Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
You might want to have a look at the history of how science has treated race, sex, gender, and sexuality before wholeheartedly embracing science's approach to areas in which social prejudice is widespread.mrussel1 said:
Because we try to be enlightened and science has been the way since the middle ages. What do you trust? Your gut? Trump the anti-science guy? Is that a real counterargument?ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0 -
none. why would i? i was there to listen to them.ecdanc said:
How many of them did you talk to about your views on trans athletes?HughFreakingDillon said:
yeah, i was literally at a fundraiser for trans manitoba, listening to speakers, singers, etc, LAST NIGHT. sure, pal, you pegged me. LOLecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Article is behind a paywall (maybe you have access; I do not), but I read a fair amount of that take when having a very similar discussion on Deadspin a few months back. I think that stance is misguided and privileges the "integrity" of sports--a common theme running through it, Joe Rogan, and many of those Deadspin commenters--over treating trans women/men as trans women/men.HughFreakingDillon said:
got it from the short article i posted. but of course you have no interest in reading it.ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0 -
You would have been a real hoot with 19th century race science!!HughFreakingDillon said:"why are we trusting science" is the only question you need to know about someone's thought processes and why they should be discounted and ignored.
back to bernie..........0 -
What did they have to say about trans athletes?HughFreakingDillon said:
none. why would i? i was there to listen to them.ecdanc said:
How many of them did you talk to about your views on trans athletes?HughFreakingDillon said:
yeah, i was literally at a fundraiser for trans manitoba, listening to speakers, singers, etc, LAST NIGHT. sure, pal, you pegged me. LOLecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.0 -
I mean, seriously, what the fuck kind of a stance is this? There are areas in which science can be useful (for instance, climate change) and others when it is downright horrific. Trying to cut through the snark a bit, but man, when it comes to questions of identity, equality, and human rights, science does NOT have a good track record.ecdanc said:HughFreakingDillon said:"why are we trusting science" is the only question you need to know about someone's thought processes and why they should be discounted and ignored.
back to bernie..........Post edited by ecdanc on0 -
Yeah, compared to religion and other 'reasoning' as well? I have a pretty good grasp on history, thanks. I don't get my medical advice from the barber though. Join the anti-vax movement if you wish.ecdanc said:
You might want to have a look at the history of how science has treated race, sex, gender, and sexuality before wholeheartedly embracing science's approach to areas in which social prejudice is widespread.mrussel1 said:
Because we try to be enlightened and science has been the way since the middle ages. What do you trust? Your gut? Trump the anti-science guy? Is that a real counterargument?ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0 -
Remember that Sanders loves and accept everyone - except for assholes and tax-fleeling-billionaires."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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But he's okay with tax fleeing millionaires like himself?Spiritual_Chaos said:Remember that Sanders loves and accept everyone - except for assholes and tax-fleeling-billionaires.0 -
I will allow that you quote me. Not feeling a bit annoyed.mrussel1 said:
But he's okay with tax fleeing millionaires like himself?Spiritual_Chaos said:Remember that Sanders loves and accept everyone - except for assholes and tax-fleeling-billionaires.
What do you mean with him being a tax fleeing millionaire ?"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Oh FFS. Yes, compared to other forms of reasoning. We had abolitionists coexisting with racist science. We had 2nd-wave feminists talking about sexist science. Science is not now, nor has it ever been, the only way to look at things, and in many cases, brave people bucked the scientific "fact" of their era to do good things. Fetishizing science like you do isn't quite as ridiculous as rejecting all science, but it's not great. You know, there's a middle ground: you can actually evaluate science as it interacts with other areas.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, compared to religion and other 'reasoning' as well? I have a pretty good grasp on history, thanks. I don't get my medical advice from the barber though. Join the anti-vax movement if you wish.ecdanc said:
You might want to have a look at the history of how science has treated race, sex, gender, and sexuality before wholeheartedly embracing science's approach to areas in which social prejudice is widespread.mrussel1 said:
Because we try to be enlightened and science has been the way since the middle ages. What do you trust? Your gut? Trump the anti-science guy? Is that a real counterargument?ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0 -
What way to you recommend looking at this, if not science? We are talking specifically about competitive athletics, not civil right, marriage, employment, etc.ecdanc said:
Oh FFS. Yes, compared to other forms of reasoning. We had abolitionists coexisting with racist science. We had 2nd-wave feminists talking about sexist science. Science is not now, nor has it ever been, the only way to look at things, and in many cases, brave people bucked the scientific "fact" of their era to do good things. Fetishizing science like you do isn't quite as ridiculous as rejecting all science, but it's not great. You know, there's a middle ground: you can actually evaluate science as it interacts with other areas.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, compared to religion and other 'reasoning' as well? I have a pretty good grasp on history, thanks. I don't get my medical advice from the barber though. Join the anti-vax movement if you wish.ecdanc said:
You might want to have a look at the history of how science has treated race, sex, gender, and sexuality before wholeheartedly embracing science's approach to areas in which social prejudice is widespread.mrussel1 said:
Because we try to be enlightened and science has been the way since the middle ages. What do you trust? Your gut? Trump the anti-science guy? Is that a real counterargument?ecdanc said:
Did you come up with this idea before you started worrying about trans athletes? And why are we trusting science here?HughFreakingDillon said:
how is it harmful to cite science? maybe instead of a women's division and men's division in sports, we create a more all-inclusive based on physical attributes or other types of criteria instead of just penis or vagina?ecdanc said:
I don’t care where he’s coming from. I care that he’s spouting anti-trans nonsense. That’s not baiting. I consider his views extremely harmful.brianlux said:ecdanc said:
Really doubling down on your own transphobia. Bold move.HughFreakingDillon said:
no it isn't champ, it's common sense biology.ecdanc said:
That’s anti-trans, champ.HughFreakingDillon said:
he's not anti-trans. i've listened to him talk a lot about it, and he has no issue with people being trans. he has issues with trans women competing against cis women in sports, which i agree with. imagine if brock lesnar was a trans woman. you think that's a level playing field?ecdanc said:
Wait, you’re cool with his anti-trans bullshit, but you draw the line at birtherism?HughFreakingDillon said:
that's the first i heard of that. that's admittedly a little concerning.mrussel1 said:
Buying into birtherism shows a lack of judgment though.HughFreakingDillon said:rogan doesn't hate the left. that's laughable. he also isn't fucking transphobe. that's also just a talking point for outrage seekers.
You obviously don't know where HFD is coming from. Why are you bating like this?0
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