Stubhub and such

pjhawks said:

luismota123 said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

TM Fan-to-Fan is technically a secondary market, just with rules you can't sell for higher than face+fees, fans can resell to fans no scalping. If you wanna sell at lower price than I think that would be allowed.  Stubhub Tickets exists because of Scalping. Fan-to-Fan is the way to go for concerts at least. Sports is a different animal.

how many fan club members do you think are going to sell on this fan to fan thing?  very few i'd imagine.

I have some Ottawa tickets I already need to get rid of, so those will be going on the fan exchange.

pjhawks said:

luismota123 said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

TM Fan-to-Fan is technically a secondary market, just with rules you can't sell for higher than face+fees, fans can resell to fans no scalping. If you wanna sell at lower price than I think that would be allowed.  Stubhub Tickets exists because of Scalping. Fan-to-Fan is the way to go for concerts at least. Sports is a different animal.

how many fan club members do you think are going to sell on this fan to fan thing?  very few i'd imagine.

There are always members looking to unload extras. But I have a theory that resellers were active on these tickets yesterday & today without realizing they wouldn’t be able to list them on StubHub, and those are going to flow through the exchange when it opens as they cut losses. 

pjhawks said:

luismota123 said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

TM Fan-to-Fan is technically a secondary market, just with rules you can't sell for higher than face+fees, fans can resell to fans no scalping. If you wanna sell at lower price than I think that would be allowed.  Stubhub Tickets exists because of Scalping. Fan-to-Fan is the way to go for concerts at least. Sports is a different animal.

how many fan club members do you think are going to sell on this fan to fan thing?  very few i'd imagine.

I didn't say 10C only tix, I meant tickets bought either thru fan club or TM can be put on a  "Fan-to-Fan" exchange at Face or below value.

tdawe said:

pjhawks said:

luismota123 said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

TM Fan-to-Fan is technically a secondary market, just with rules you can't sell for higher than face+fees, fans can resell to fans no scalping. If you wanna sell at lower price than I think that would be allowed.  Stubhub Tickets exists because of Scalping. Fan-to-Fan is the way to go for concerts at least. Sports is a different animal.

how many fan club members do you think are going to sell on this fan to fan thing?  very few i'd imagine.

There are always members looking to unload extras. But I have a theory that resellers were active on these tickets yesterday & today without realizing they wouldn’t be able to list them on StubHub, and those are going to flow through the exchange when it opens as they cut losses. 

The good thing for scalpers is that with the no fee fan 2 fan exchange, there are no losses assuming someone picks up the tickets for face.  As you mentioned, if scalpers can’t figure out how to sell the tickets, they can just unload on the fan exchange.  No harm done, no losses taken.  Just don’t expect to see much for Msg

MD190661 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

100%

Stubhub is full of tickets for way under face value - fees included.  Nobody complains about Stubhub when they get a MLB baseball ticket for $8 that has a face value of $50.00.  This is purely a supply and demand situation. With the 10c getting the vast majority of the seats, they never hit the secondary market.  High demand + less than average supply = skyrocket prices.  Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower.

"Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower."
You think it's better if bots/scalpers can access tickets before fans? For most markets, only fans got tickets. Not seeing the problem with this. If PJ played 4 nights at MSG instead of one and NY didn't give in the scalping, there would be tickets for 90% of fans to see at least 1 show. 

I am a fan of supply and demand, but fans aren't on the same playing field as scalpers when it comes to buying tickets. 

I think PJ has done a great job in preventing scalpers from getting many tickets.  The downside of that of course is the lack of availability on the secondary market, which naturally, is going to drive up prices.  Especially in a city like New York with plenty of high net-worth individuals.  PJ succeeded in keeping a few thousand tickets off of the secondary market, but at what cost?  I was granted 10c tickets, so I’m on the inside looking out but if I were without tickets, I’d rather see 2k tickets on Stubhub vs 200.

ejk1280 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

MD190661 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

100%

Stubhub is full of tickets for way under face value - fees included.  Nobody complains about Stubhub when they get a MLB baseball ticket for $8 that has a face value of $50.00.  This is purely a supply and demand situation. With the 10c getting the vast majority of the seats, they never hit the secondary market.  High demand + less than average supply = skyrocket prices.  Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower.

"Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower."
You think it's better if bots/scalpers can access tickets before fans? For most markets, only fans got tickets. Not seeing the problem with this. If PJ played 4 nights at MSG instead of one and NY didn't give in the scalping, there would be tickets for 90% of fans to see at least 1 show. 

I am a fan of supply and demand, but fans aren't on the same playing field as scalpers when it comes to buying tickets. 

I think PJ has done a great job in preventing scalpers from getting many tickets.  The downside of that of course is the lack of availability on the secondary market, which naturally, is going to drive up prices.  Especially in a city like New York with plenty of high net-worth individuals.  PJ succeeded in keeping a few thousand tickets off of the secondary market, but at what cost?  I was granted 10c tickets, so I’m on the inside looking out but if I were without tickets, I’d rather see 2k tickets on Stubhub vs 200.

Correct.  But popular opinion around here is that you are a horrible person if you have enough money to pay for a marked up ticket.  

Not true. You're only a horrible person if you think you deserve tickets because you have more money than other people.

Sub-tle.

People are going to have a better chance of getting hit by lightning then landing tickets via the fan ticket exchange.  Sucks but true

BennyLaRue said:

ejk1280 said:

People are going to have a better chance of getting hit by lightning then landing tickets via the fan ticket exchange*.  Sucks but true

* - for MSG, Denver and Baltimore

Correct.  We agree on something 

ecdanc said:

BennyLaRue said:

ejk1280 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

MD190661 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

pjhawks said:

one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not

100%

Stubhub is full of tickets for way under face value - fees included.  Nobody complains about Stubhub when they get a MLB baseball ticket for $8 that has a face value of $50.00.  This is purely a supply and demand situation. With the 10c getting the vast majority of the seats, they never hit the secondary market.  High demand + less than average supply = skyrocket prices.  Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower.

"Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower."
You think it's better if bots/scalpers can access tickets before fans? For most markets, only fans got tickets. Not seeing the problem with this. If PJ played 4 nights at MSG instead of one and NY didn't give in the scalping, there would be tickets for 90% of fans to see at least 1 show. 

I am a fan of supply and demand, but fans aren't on the same playing field as scalpers when it comes to buying tickets. 

I think PJ has done a great job in preventing scalpers from getting many tickets.  The downside of that of course is the lack of availability on the secondary market, which naturally, is going to drive up prices.  Especially in a city like New York with plenty of high net-worth individuals.  PJ succeeded in keeping a few thousand tickets off of the secondary market, but at what cost?  I was granted 10c tickets, so I’m on the inside looking out but if I were without tickets, I’d rather see 2k tickets on Stubhub vs 200.

Correct.  But popular opinion around here is that you are a horrible person if you have enough money to pay for a marked up ticket.  

Not true. You're only a horrible person if you think you deserve tickets because you have more money than other people.

Sub-tle.

Omg, I love you. 

I'm willing to get to know you better.