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I thought I read in one of the emails from 10c that based on the new partnership with tm, no tickets would be available on secondary resale sites like stubhub. What happened to that because stubhub seems to be full of tickets
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  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,322
    No idea. Like I’ve posted in other threads 
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  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    I thought I read in one of the emails from 10c that based on the new partnership with tm, no tickets would be available on secondary resale sites like stubhub*. What happened to that because stubhub seems to be full of tickets
    * - except NY and Colorado, where state laws allow for that sort of malarkey

    There are zero tickets on StubHub for the other shows.
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    My guess is that NY and CO transferability laws prevent 10c from doing anything about ticket resale, even with the obscene markups. 
  • tdawetdawe Posts: 2,089
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
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  • pjsteelerfanpjsteelerfan Posts: 9,895
    It was in all the messages about the tour, in NY and Colorado there are laws that say you can't do the fan to fan only exchange.  Not too many tickets for LA, or Oakland, or St/ Louis on there. 
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  • ClapperClapper Posts: 208
    They have done everything they can to prevent secondary market.  The tickets on stubhub are Denver and New York where state laws require tickets to be transferable. The band and the fans wishes don't outweigh state laws. 
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    I know a lot of us are frustrated by the NY/CO laws (because it encourages scalpers to eat up all the tickets for those shows), but this is an interesting read (if you're VERY bored while waiting for the public sales to begin): https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf
  • LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFanLeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan Posts: 3,417
    ecdanc said:
    I know a lot of us are frustrated by the NY/CO laws (because it encourages scalpers to eat up all the tickets for those shows), but this is an interesting read (if you're VERY bored while waiting for the public sales to begin): https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

    Sorry, I haven’t done my psat, don’t know what an asterisk is and need to be replied to in a condescending way, as a result I’m unable to read that link. Can you provide a synopsis? Lol
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    ecdanc said:
    I know a lot of us are frustrated by the NY/CO laws (because it encourages scalpers to eat up all the tickets for those shows), but this is an interesting read (if you're VERY bored while waiting for the public sales to begin): https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

    Sorry, I haven’t done my psat, don’t know what an asterisk is and need to be replied to in a condescending way, as a result I’m unable to read that link. Can you provide a synopsis? Lol
    Dude, I hope you don't think I said anything condescending. Certainly didn't intend to. The document basically explains how/why NY ended up with the ticket-transfer laws it has. 
  • LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFanLeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan Posts: 3,417
    ecdanc said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    ecdanc said:
    I know a lot of us are frustrated by the NY/CO laws (because it encourages scalpers to eat up all the tickets for those shows), but this is an interesting read (if you're VERY bored while waiting for the public sales to begin): https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

    Sorry, I haven’t done my psat, don’t know what an asterisk is and need to be replied to in a condescending way, as a result I’m unable to read that link. Can you provide a synopsis? Lol
    Dude, I hope you don't think I said anything condescending. Certainly didn't intend to. The document basically explains how/why NY ended up with the ticket-transfer laws it has. 
    not you. See the post above by tdawe
  • nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 8,322
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    Unbelievable. What a dickhead response 
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    ecdanc said:
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan said:
    ecdanc said:
    I know a lot of us are frustrated by the NY/CO laws (because it encourages scalpers to eat up all the tickets for those shows), but this is an interesting read (if you're VERY bored while waiting for the public sales to begin): https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf

    Sorry, I haven’t done my psat, don’t know what an asterisk is and need to be replied to in a condescending way, as a result I’m unable to read that link. Can you provide a synopsis? Lol
    Dude, I hope you don't think I said anything condescending. Certainly didn't intend to. The document basically explains how/why NY ended up with the ticket-transfer laws it has. 
    not you. See the post above by tdawe
    Ok, cool. We're good. 
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    ecdanc said:
    I know a lot of us are frustrated by the NY/CO laws (because it encourages scalpers to eat up all the tickets for those shows), but this is an interesting read (if you're VERY bored while waiting for the public sales to begin): https://ag.ny.gov/pdfs/Ticket_Sales_Report.pdf
    Interesting. Thanks for posting. This is a great example of legislation lagging too far behind - the industry can move much quicker than government.

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  • IlliniGuy76IlliniGuy76 Posts: 563
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    ...or just reading comprehension 101.
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  • LostpawnLostpawn Posts: 414
    Out of curiosity, for anyone who bought Verified Fan tickets yesterday for non NY/CO shows, are your tickets available to you in your TM account yet?  I bought Denver, and already have my tickets. I guess SafeTix isn’t in place at all for NY / CO shows. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 19,532
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    oh my goodness how snarky
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,427
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
    "Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer who can afford to pay absurd prices." FTFY. 
  • BV84003BV84003 Posts: 360
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
    That's why they have the Fan to Fan Face Value Exchange.
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  • mpedonempedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,946
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
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  • Ryan_WFCRyan_WFC Posts: 1,342
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
    But it allows far more fans to get tickets for face value. A good trade-off imo.

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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,427
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   With Stub Hub getting concert tickets has never been easier.  Eliminating that will make it much much harder, especially for groups that you are not in a fan club for.  Is the time coming where I have to join the fan club of every group I want to see?  In our bubble here for PJ eliminating the secondary market mostly works (although I'd like the opportunity for Baltimore secondary market but I understand with limited NE shows demand it's just outrageous) but overall i will argue it's not a good thing.  I got tickets for The Who last year on the secondary market for $60.00 which was about half price. isn't that a good thing for the consumer?
  • patkelly12patkelly12 Posts: 361
    The NY AG ain’t worried about the consumer. He just wanted his cut. 
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,427
    edited January 2020
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

    edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

    so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.
    Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 
  • LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFanLeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan Posts: 3,417
    Scalpers or secondary markets rely on impulse buys due to fomo. 
  • BennyLaRueBennyLaRue Posts: 751
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

    edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

    so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze
    Secondary market options are ideal. But the one we're sitting on leads to price gouging - downsides outweigh the upsides.

    It was better when we bought off Kijiji or the guy in front of the show.
  • given2fly23given2fly23 Posts: 5,902
    nicknyr15 said:
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    Unbelievable. What a dickhead response 

    This board has become so toxic. Any thread you open, responses are more likely to be condescending than understanding. Way more responses containing the words "whining" or "butthurt" than "sorry, that sucks." I get that the board is flooded with new people asking questions that a lot of us know, but it's easy to ignore or help. Sucks that being a dick makes people feel like a big man. 
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  • ecdancecdanc Posts: 1,814
    given2fly23 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    Unbelievable. What a dickhead response 

    This board has become so toxic. Any thread you open, responses are more likely to be condescending than understanding. Way more responses containing the words "whining" or "butthurt" than "sorry, that sucks." I get that the board is flooded with new people asking questions that a lot of us know, but it's easy to ignore or help. Sucks that being a dick makes people feel like a big man. 
    Stop whining. 
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