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  • Ryan_WFC
    Ryan_WFC Posts: 1,353
    edited January 2020
     

    Saltzy23 said:
    This MSG show is the most expensive concert ticket I have ever seen in my life relative to face value.

    2X-3X face is pretty rare.

    This is 5X face at the LOW END of the spectrum.

    Absolutely insane.

    The AVERAGE SOLD PRICE IS $712.58 SO FAR!

    Someone bought 2 seats today for $3,213 EACH BEFORE FEES!

     
    How did you find that info? I use StubHub a lot and never saw that.

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    made him ... want to be everywhere
    there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
  • tdawe
    tdawe Posts: 2,091
    Ryan_WFC said:
    BruceU2PJ said:
    Ryan_WFC said:
    The bottom line is there's no system that would give tickets to everyone who wants them. So put me down for the one that offers the most tickets at face value.
    At least with Stubhub you have the opportunity available to you, if you want. Better than being a 3 time loser with Baltimore this week when I live 25 minutes away.  
    I get that. But with StubHub in play there would have been way more "losers" in the

    Saltzy23 said:
    This MSG show is the most expensive concert ticket I have ever seen in my life relative to face value.

    2X-3X face is pretty rare.

    This is 5X face at the LOW END of the spectrum.

    Absolutely insane.

    The AVERAGE SOLD PRICE IS $712.58 SO FAR!

    Someone bought 2 seats today for $3,213 EACH BEFORE FEES!

     
    How did you find that info? I use StubHub a lot and never saw that.

    Act like you are trying to create a listing for sale. Eventually you will get to the page where you price your tickets, and there will be a link that says "more pricing info" or something like that. It will bring up that screen where you can peruse the recent sales.
    Camden 2 2006, Newark 2010, Barclays 2 2013, Central Park 2015, MSG 2 2016, Wrigley 1 2016, Rome 2018, Prague 2018, Asbury Park 2021, EV & Earthlings NYC 1 2022, MSG 2022, Louisville 2022, Dublin 2024, MSG 1 2024, MSG 2 2024
  • GlowGirl
    GlowGirl New York, NY Posts: 12,173
    AlaG said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    I have never seen ticket prices like what's on stub hub MSG. Four digits for anything front of stage 100s AND 200s. 

    Not the super bowl

    Not The Stones

    Not The Pope

    Nothing close.


    There are at least 10,000 folks in NYC that can drop 4 grand like they're buying a happy meal. I'm sure a couple like Pearl Jam.

    Yup. I live in NYC. We have a skewed point of view of what things should cost. People outside of NYC think what I pay for rent on my small apartment is crazy. People in NYC think I scored a great deal on rent. It's all relative.
  • Saltzy23
    Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    Ryan_WFC said:
    BruceU2PJ said:
    Ryan_WFC said:
    The bottom line is there's no system that would give tickets to everyone who wants them. So put me down for the one that offers the most tickets at face value.
    At least with Stubhub you have the opportunity available to you, if you want. Better than being a 3 time loser with Baltimore this week when I live 25 minutes away.  
    I get that. But with StubHub in play there would have been way more "losers" in the

    Saltzy23 said:
    This MSG show is the most expensive concert ticket I have ever seen in my life relative to face value.

    2X-3X face is pretty rare.

    This is 5X face at the LOW END of the spectrum.

    Absolutely insane.

    The AVERAGE SOLD PRICE IS $712.58 SO FAR!

    Someone bought 2 seats today for $3,213 EACH BEFORE FEES!

     
    How did you find that info? I use StubHub a lot and never saw that.

    "Sell" tickets to the show and when you get to the pricing screen it has a 'View other listings" link at the top.
    'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
  • TN49724
    TN49724 Posts: 106
    One thing that is clearly happening is PJ fans who have finally gotten to a point in their life (older, which when you get older, usually u make more, not always) where they can now travel and pay for tix they couldn’t afford when they were 20 years old.  For some people, a weekend in NYC and a 3 hour PJ show is worth what other people would pay for a week vacation in Europe, or whatever (pick ur spot). People thought I was crazy to drive to Ottawa from Ohio to see PJ.  Literally had ppl laughing that I was losing my mind.  

    That said, $11k is flat out absurd for a show.  Straight nuts.
  • Ryan_WFC
    Ryan_WFC Posts: 1,353
    Saltzy23 said:
    Ryan_WFC said:
    BruceU2PJ said:
    Ryan_WFC said:
    The bottom line is there's no system that would give tickets to everyone who wants them. So put me down for the one that offers the most tickets at face value.
    At least with Stubhub you have the opportunity available to you, if you want. Better than being a 3 time loser with Baltimore this week when I live 25 minutes away.  
    I get that. But with StubHub in play there would have been way more "losers" in the

    Saltzy23 said:
    This MSG show is the most expensive concert ticket I have ever seen in my life relative to face value.

    2X-3X face is pretty rare.

    This is 5X face at the LOW END of the spectrum.

    Absolutely insane.

    The AVERAGE SOLD PRICE IS $712.58 SO FAR!

    Someone bought 2 seats today for $3,213 EACH BEFORE FEES!

     
    How did you find that info? I use StubHub a lot and never saw that.

    "Sell" tickets to the show and when you get to the pricing screen it has a 'View other listings" link at the top.

    Thanks!
    "They said ... timing was everything
    made him ... want to be everywhere
    there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
  • pbultimate
    pbultimate Posts: 621
    Got offered $2500 for 1 ticket Wrig 13. 2 steps away from the will call window. Field M row 2.  Never woulda considered it.
  • tdawe
    tdawe Posts: 2,091
    pbultimate said:
    Got offered $2500 for 1 ticket Wrig 13. 2 steps away from the will call window. Field M row 2.  Never woulda considered it.
    I've been through several versions of this. Once I came dangerously close to selling a pair of $20 face value baseball tickets for ~$800, for a non-playoff game on a cold & rainy weeknight. Then I had my epiphany: I'll never be telling my kids the story of the time I made $760 on StubHub. Always take the experience over the money.
    Camden 2 2006, Newark 2010, Barclays 2 2013, Central Park 2015, MSG 2 2016, Wrigley 1 2016, Rome 2018, Prague 2018, Asbury Park 2021, EV & Earthlings NYC 1 2022, MSG 2022, Louisville 2022, Dublin 2024, MSG 1 2024, MSG 2 2024
  • korn-1
    korn-1 Los Angeles, transplanted from Chicago Posts: 930
    I'd say i buy ~90% of my tickets off resale sites (stubhub, seatgeek, axs, facebook, etc) and almost never pay face or above. Often times I get them for around half the Ticketmaster cost. Helps that I live in LA so I dont have to travel for most tours, and people here are flakey as hell, but I work the system in my favor and am able to get into a lot of shows that I have no business being at with my finances.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not :bring_it:
  • HH140540
    HH140540 Atlanta Posts: 578
    BruceU2PJ said:
    Ryan_WFC said:
    The bottom line is there's no system that would give tickets to everyone who wants them. So put me down for the one that offers the most tickets at face value.
    At least with Stubhub you have the opportunity available to you, if you want. Better than being a 3 time loser with Baltimore this week when I live 25 minutes away.  
    This^^. Baltimore was my 1st priority and got shutout through all avenues. Would be nice to have the option. Interested to see how the fan-fan exchange is. Can't imagine there will be a lot available. 
  • HH140540
    HH140540 Atlanta Posts: 578
    Jed said:
    RS65573 said:
    I had someone offer me $4000 cash for my MSG tickets in 08. I didnt take it. What will it be now?
    I doubt you'll get much for 2008 tickets 12 years after the show occurred.
    Nicely done!
  • RS65573
    RS65573 Posts: 2,500
    HH140540 said:
    Jed said:
    RS65573 said:
    I had someone offer me $4000 cash for my MSG tickets in 08. I didnt take it. What will it be now?
    I doubt you'll get much for 2008 tickets 12 years after the show occurred.
    Nicely done!
    I bet the stubs get $30 each on ebay! 
  • Saltzy23
    Saltzy23 Posts: 1,350
    I had the 2 cheapest MSG that have sold tickets in my cart yesterday for like 5 seconds and said 'Eh, fuck it' and let em go.

    $199 ea for Sec 416 before fees.

    That was a tremendous miscalculation on my part.

    'I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine.'
  • AlaG
    AlaG Brookline, MA Posts: 979
    pjhawks said:
    one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not :bring_it:
    I'd much rather tix all go to die hards at a fair-ish price as opposed to a mix of fans and casuals that can afford to drop 4x face value on SH. But of course there is no totally fair system. People will always get shut out.
  • luismota123
    luismota123 Posts: 161
    pjhawks said:
    one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not :bring_it:
    TM Fan-to-Fan is technically a secondary market, just with rules you can't sell for higher than face+fees, fans can resell to fans no scalping. If you wanna sell at lower price than I think that would be allowed.  Stubhub Tickets exists because of Scalping. Fan-to-Fan is the way to go for concerts at least. Sports is a different animal.
  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,332
    Saltzy23 said:
    I had the 2 cheapest MSG that have sold tickets in my cart yesterday for like 5 seconds and said 'Eh, fuck it' and let em go.

    $199 ea for Sec 416 before fees.

    That was a tremendous miscalculation on my part.

    Fuck. I hope they come back down. 
  • ejk1280
    ejk1280 Posts: 86
    nicknyr15 said:
    Saltzy23 said:
    I had the 2 cheapest MSG that have sold tickets in my cart yesterday for like 5 seconds and said 'Eh, fuck it' and let em go.

    $199 ea for Sec 416 before fees.

    That was a tremendous miscalculation on my part.

    Fuck. I hope they come back down. 
    Not likely unfortunately    Supply at all time low
  • P-Town-P-Jam-Fan
    P-Town-P-Jam-Fan Posts: 930
    pjhawks said:
    one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not :bring_it:
    100%

    Stubhub is full of tickets for way under face value - fees included.  Nobody complains about Stubhub when they get a MLB baseball ticket for $8 that has a face value of $50.00.  This is purely a supply and demand situation. With the 10c getting the vast majority of the seats, they never hit the secondary market.  High demand + less than average supply = skyrocket prices.  Had these tickets been sold via the traditional avenues there would be 2k-3k tickets on stubhub for every market and prices would be way lower.
    Gorge
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    luismota123 said:
    pjhawks said:
    one question for those who are against Stub Hub and secondary market.   What if every band limited tickets to only their fan club with no reselling allowed?  If you are into live music do you want to make it that you have to join the fan club just for the possibility of seeing said band live with no guarantee you will win a lottery to get into seeing that band?  It (somewhat) works under the Pearl Jam umbrella but in reality it's a bad precedent being set for fans limiting tickets in this manner.  that's just my opinion and i could be wrong...but i'm not :bring_it:
    TM Fan-to-Fan is technically a secondary market, just with rules you can't sell for higher than face+fees, fans can resell to fans no scalping. If you wanna sell at lower price than I think that would be allowed.  Stubhub Tickets exists because of Scalping. Fan-to-Fan is the way to go for concerts at least. Sports is a different animal.
    how many fan club members do you think are going to sell on this fan to fan thing?  very few i'd imagine.

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