Stubhub and such

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

mpedone said:

pjhawks said:

Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.

Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   

No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.

how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 

well yea duh.  ACCESS is having the opportunity to say yes or no to paying 2000% of the ticket price. when there are zero tickets on a secondary market that would be NO ACCESS.   not complicated.

I'm not paying 2000% of a ticket price...but as least i have the choice to decide if i want to or not.  right now I have zero ability to obtain tickets to Baltimore because it wasn't my 1st priority show.   and rarely have i've seen tickets at 2000% of cost as you get closer to a show. 

Oh, cool, you just meant access for yourself. Carry on. 

huh how is that access for myself? Everyone has the opportunity for those tickets and their choice to pay or not.  again for most shows I think it's a good thing.  How many shows do you really think the price is ABOVE normal ticket price on Stub Hub?  Yes for Pearl Jam but for most acts it is not that way. more often than not the secondary market is better for consumer.

I regularly give a lecture on negative liberty vs. positive liberty. You should sit in sometime. 

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

ecdanc said:

pjhawks said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

mpedone said:

pjhawks said:

Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.

Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   

No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.

how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 

well yea duh.  ACCESS is having the opportunity to say yes or no to paying 2000% of the ticket price. when there are zero tickets on a secondary market that would be NO ACCESS.   not complicated.

I'm not paying 2000% of a ticket price...but as least i have the choice to decide if i want to or not.  right now I have zero ability to obtain tickets to Baltimore because it wasn't my 1st priority show.   and rarely have i've seen tickets at 2000% of cost as you get closer to a show. 

Oh, cool, you just meant access for yourself. Carry on. 

huh how is that access for myself? Everyone has the opportunity for those tickets and their choice to pay or not.  again for most shows I think it's a good thing.  How many shows do you really think the price is ABOVE normal ticket price on Stub Hub?  Yes for Pearl Jam but for most acts it is not that way. more often than not the secondary market is better for consumer.

I regularly give a lecture on negative liberty vs. positive liberty. You should sit in sometime. 

I would. do you have any youtube video of that? seriously i'd watch it. be cool to see.

i'm just giving my opinion of someone who has lived through the changes in obtaining tickets.  having stub hub available has been good in my opinion. eliminating makes it harder.  it is going backwards in my opinion.  

I will soon. I think I'm teaching that class online next fall; only ever taught it in person, so no video yet. 

pjhawks said:

i'm just giving my opinion of someone who has lived through the changes in obtaining tickets.  having stub hub available has been good in my opinion. eliminating makes it harder.  it is going backwards in my opinion.  

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

mpedone said:

pjhawks said:

Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.

Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   

No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.

how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze

Secondary market options are ideal. But the one we're sitting on leads to price gouging - downsides outweigh the upsides.

It was better when we bought off Kijiji or the guy in front of the show.

Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me that without the ability to transfer these tickets, everyone who purchased during the original on-sale is planning to actually use them (and not re-sell).  Yes, the people who got shut out would certainly like the opportunity to purchase on the secondary market if they can afford it, but if all the tickets are purchased by people who will use them then there is nothing to put up for sale on the secondary market anyway. 

I think Pearl Jam's goal was to have all tickets sold in the original sale to people who will actually use them.  They are trying to keep out the purchasers who's only intent is to re-sell them and make money. 

rey said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

mpedone said:

pjhawks said:

Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.

Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   

No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.

how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze

Secondary market options are ideal. But the one we're sitting on leads to price gouging - downsides outweigh the upsides.

It was better when we bought off Kijiji or the guy in front of the show.

Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me that without the ability to transfer these tickets, everyone who purchased during the original on-sale is planning to actually use them (and not re-sell).  Yes, the people who got shut out would certainly like the opportunity to purchase on the secondary market if they can afford it, but if all the tickets are purchased by people who will use them then there is nothing to put up for sale on the secondary market anyway. 

I think Pearl Jam's goal was to have all tickets sold in the original sale to people who will actually use them.  They are trying to keep out the purchasers who's only intent is to re-sell them and make money. 

Lerxst1992 said:

rey said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

BennyLaRue said:

pjhawks said:

mpedone said:

pjhawks said:

Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.

Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   

No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.

how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze

Secondary market options are ideal. But the one we're sitting on leads to price gouging - downsides outweigh the upsides.

It was better when we bought off Kijiji or the guy in front of the show.

Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me that without the ability to transfer these tickets, everyone who purchased during the original on-sale is planning to actually use them (and not re-sell).  Yes, the people who got shut out would certainly like the opportunity to purchase on the secondary market if they can afford it, but if all the tickets are purchased by people who will use them then there is nothing to put up for sale on the secondary market anyway. 

I think Pearl Jam's goal was to have all tickets sold in the original sale to people who will actually use them.  They are trying to keep out the purchasers who's only intent is to re-sell them and make money. 

I think you nailed it. What is available for msg stub hub is a tiny fraction of what is normally there for any other show. PJ clearly doesn’t want their tickets sold for huge marked up prices.

the irony is, since ny metro is ten times the size of everywhere else, there’s usually not enough shows here, and ny is one of the few places that insist on resale...and everyone and his MIL seem to want to travel here...

all this compounds to create absurdly high resale prices for msg, exactly what they don’t want. 

Vedd Hedd said:

weird experience......

Due to these conversations, I went on stubhub, MSG, and took a look.   I have no intention of going, I just wanted to see the prices, locations and the comments on the tickets.  I grabbed 2 random tickets, that were about 450 per ticket, put them in my cart to see the totals, etc. 

I left them there.  Closed the window.  Forgot about it.  

I got a call 10 minutes later from a guy at Stubhub, and he said, "Hey we saw that you were interested in some pearl jam tickets at madison square garden, just wanted to see if you are still interested, also wanted to let you know that we have a discount for our members, so please give me a call back and let's see what we can do."
wtf

Vedd Hedd said:

BizzzyBozzzy said:

Vedd Hedd said:

weird experience......

Due to these conversations, I went on stubhub, MSG, and took a look.   I have no intention of going, I just wanted to see the prices, locations and the comments on the tickets.  I grabbed 2 random tickets, that were about 450 per ticket, put them in my cart to see the totals, etc. 

I left them there.  Closed the window.  Forgot about it.  

I got a call 10 minutes later from a guy at Stubhub, and he said, "Hey we saw that you were interested in some pearl jam tickets at madison square garden, just wanted to see if you are still interested, also wanted to let you know that we have a discount for our members, so please give me a call back and let's see what we can do."
wtf

It does suck that by being on the internet we opted into things like this.

Yeah, it was just also strange about the "discount"....

Lostpawn said:

Vedd Hedd said:

BizzzyBozzzy said:

Vedd Hedd said:

weird experience......

Due to these conversations, I went on stubhub, MSG, and took a look.   I have no intention of going, I just wanted to see the prices, locations and the comments on the tickets.  I grabbed 2 random tickets, that were about 450 per ticket, put them in my cart to see the totals, etc. 

I left them there.  Closed the window.  Forgot about it.  

I got a call 10 minutes later from a guy at Stubhub, and he said, "Hey we saw that you were interested in some pearl jam tickets at madison square garden, just wanted to see if you are still interested, also wanted to let you know that we have a discount for our members, so please give me a call back and let's see what we can do."
wtf

It does suck that by being on the internet we opted into things like this.

Yeah, it was just also strange about the "discount"....

Right?  What exactly do they have the power to discount?  If it’s more than just fees, that’s... fishy. 

May just be fees though. Does StubHub calculate fees from ticket price?  I honestly don’t remember.