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  • Ryan_WFC
    Ryan_WFC Posts: 1,353
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
    But it allows far more fans to get tickets for face value. A good trade-off imo.

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    made him ... want to be everywhere
    there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   With Stub Hub getting concert tickets has never been easier.  Eliminating that will make it much much harder, especially for groups that you are not in a fan club for.  Is the time coming where I have to join the fan club of every group I want to see?  In our bubble here for PJ eliminating the secondary market mostly works (although I'd like the opportunity for Baltimore secondary market but I understand with limited NE shows demand it's just outrageous) but overall i will argue it's not a good thing.  I got tickets for The Who last year on the secondary market for $60.00 which was about half price. isn't that a good thing for the consumer?
  • patkelly12
    patkelly12 CT Posts: 361
    The NY AG ain’t worried about the consumer. He just wanted his cut. 
  • BennyLaRue
    BennyLaRue Posts: 751
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    edited January 2020
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

    edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

    so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.
    Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 
  • LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan
    LeafsJaysCubsRaptorsFan Posts: 3,417
    Scalpers or secondary markets rely on impulse buys due to fomo. 
  • BennyLaRue
    BennyLaRue Posts: 751
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

    edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

    so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze
    Secondary market options are ideal. But the one we're sitting on leads to price gouging - downsides outweigh the upsides.

    It was better when we bought off Kijiji or the guy in front of the show.
  • given2fly23
    given2fly23 Evanston, IL Posts: 6,042
    nicknyr15 said:
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    Unbelievable. What a dickhead response 

    This board has become so toxic. Any thread you open, responses are more likely to be condescending than understanding. Way more responses containing the words "whining" or "butthurt" than "sorry, that sucks." I get that the board is flooded with new people asking questions that a lot of us know, but it's easy to ignore or help. Sucks that being a dick makes people feel like a big man. 
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    given2fly23 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    tdawe said:
    When you’re reading something and you see an asterisk (that’s the one that looks like this: *) you need to look and find the matching asterisk down below, which will give you some additional information that is essential to understanding what you just read. Good luck on your PSAT.  
    Unbelievable. What a dickhead response 

    This board has become so toxic. Any thread you open, responses are more likely to be condescending than understanding. Way more responses containing the words "whining" or "butthurt" than "sorry, that sucks." I get that the board is flooded with new people asking questions that a lot of us know, but it's easy to ignore or help. Sucks that being a dick makes people feel like a big man. 
    Stop whining. 
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    Well there are still 2,000+ people in front of me according to Ticketmaster for MSG. The waiting rooms and queues on Ticketmaster are bullshit. I liked it back in the day when everyone was panicking and hitting refresh at 9:59am. I liked the combination of skill and luck. Now it's just communist...
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    Jammin909 said:
    Well there are still 2,000+ people in front of me according to Ticketmaster for MSG. The waiting rooms and queues on Ticketmaster are bullshit. I liked it back in the day when everyone was panicking and hitting refresh at 9:59am. I liked the combination of skill and luck. Now it's just communist...
    Yep, Ticketmaster = communism. Checks out. 
  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    edited January 2020
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
    I completely agree with you. I fully support doing everything possible to cut out the bots on the front end but eliminating the secondary market is bad for fans.
    Post edited by JBob87 on
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    ecdanc said:
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.
    Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 
    well yea duh.  ACCESS is having the opportunity to say yes or no to paying 2000% of the ticket price. when there are zero tickets on a secondary market that would be NO ACCESS.   not complicated.

    I'm not paying 2000% of a ticket price...but as least i have the choice to decide if i want to or not.  right now I have zero ability to obtain tickets to Baltimore because it wasn't my 1st priority show.   and rarely have i've seen tickets at 2000% of cost as you get closer to a show. 

  • JBob87
    JBob87 Posts: 485
    BV84003 said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  
    That's why they have the Fan to Fan Face Value Exchange.
    Sure but that’s going to create problems too. It incentives people with good seats to hold as long as possible, limiting supply in Feb/Mar for those who have to make travel plans. Also will be a months long F5 struggle. 

    And for for those with poor seats they might not even be able to move their tickets because everyone will be waiting for better seats to pop up for the same price.

    we’ll see how it works but I’m skeptical.
  • mpedone
    mpedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.

    edit: not sure how everyone can hate ticketmaster so much...but then want them to be the only place to buy tickets from.  strange isn't it?

    so i just tried ticketmaster for baltimore - right at 10:00 and already 2,000 people in front of me in their queque.  and this is a good system for consumers?  puh-leeze

    Take the 10Club out of this, as they secured "more tickets for the club than ever before". Let's say the entire arena is open to a public sale. Day of, you log on to TM, you'll be behind "2000+" people, and may still not get tickets. This is the system we've lived with for the past however long we've had online ticketing. This is why you've HAD to turn to the StubHub and buy tickets from the agents who were able to scoop up all of those tickets before you even had a chance.

    I don't want TM to be the only source, but it is what it is, and I have no power to change that.

    And there's still a secondary market. There's the Fan to Fan sale in February, and if people truly want to sell tickets, they will find a way.
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  • ecdanc
    ecdanc Posts: 1,814
    pjhawks said:
    ecdanc said:
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.
    Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 
    well yea duh.  ACCESS is having the opportunity to say yes or no to paying 2000% of the ticket price. when there are zero tickets on a secondary market that would be NO ACCESS.   not complicated.

    I'm not paying 2000% of a ticket price...but as least i have the choice to decide if i want to or not.  right now I have zero ability to obtain tickets to Baltimore because it wasn't my 1st priority show.   and rarely have i've seen tickets at 2000% of cost as you get closer to a show. 

    Oh, cool, you just meant access for yourself. Carry on. 
  • Jammin909
    Jammin909 Posts: 888
    ecdanc said:
    Jammin909 said:
    Well there are still 2,000+ people in front of me according to Ticketmaster for MSG. The waiting rooms and queues on Ticketmaster are bullshit. I liked it back in the day when everyone was panicking and hitting refresh at 9:59am. I liked the combination of skill and luck. Now it's just communist...
    Yep, Ticketmaster = communism. Checks out. 

    Referring to the process not the company. 
    The less you know, the more you believe.
  • halshakarchi
    halshakarchi Posts: 176
    Jammin909 said:
    ecdanc said:
    Jammin909 said:
    Well there are still 2,000+ people in front of me according to Ticketmaster for MSG. The waiting rooms and queues on Ticketmaster are bullshit. I liked it back in the day when everyone was panicking and hitting refresh at 9:59am. I liked the combination of skill and luck. Now it's just communist...
    Yep, Ticketmaster = communism. Checks out. 

    Referring to the process not the company. 
    How is any of this communism? If anything this is capitalism at its finest.
  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,956
    ecdanc said:
    pjhawks said:
    ecdanc said:
    pjhawks said:
    BennyLaRue said:
    pjhawks said:
    mpedone said:
    pjhawks said:
    Limiting  or eliminating the secondary market is a good deal for the band but it's not a good thing for the consumer. how many people shut out would like the opportunity to buy tickets on the secondary market? this guy for one. would love the opportunity to decide if I want to pay the cost to see the Baltimore show since I lost on the 10C lottery.  Eliminating the secondary market is not good for the consumer.  

    If you eliminate the secondary market, there is no incentive for scalpers/agencies to buy up the tickets, thus, more are going into consumers' hands. This is a good thing. Sadly, demand for these tickets is still VERY high, meaning many still just don't get tickets.
    Overall the secondary market is a good thing for the consumers.   
    No, stop. If you added up all the tickets sold, with fees, I guarantee the total value sold exceeds the total face value of those tickets. You can't hold up a few shows with below-market value tickets because those are not the bulk of the volume.
    how is giving more people more access to tickets a bad thing?  again look outside the PJ bubble. is it not a better idea to have the opportunity to see other bands by choosing a secondary market option?  Especially in today's world where shows are being put on sale up to a year ahead of time. sorry for groups I am not insanely crazy about, like PJ, I am not buying tickets a year ahead of time. give me the chance to buy a month out and get whatever level of tickets at a price I want to spend to see that show.  that's my thought process.
    Nothing says "access" like tickets marked up 2000%. 
    well yea duh.  ACCESS is having the opportunity to say yes or no to paying 2000% of the ticket price. when there are zero tickets on a secondary market that would be NO ACCESS.   not complicated.

    I'm not paying 2000% of a ticket price...but as least i have the choice to decide if i want to or not.  right now I have zero ability to obtain tickets to Baltimore because it wasn't my 1st priority show.   and rarely have i've seen tickets at 2000% of cost as you get closer to a show. 

    Oh, cool, you just meant access for yourself. Carry on. 
    huh how is that access for myself? Everyone has the opportunity for those tickets and their choice to pay or not.  again for most shows I think it's a good thing.  How many shows do you really think the price is ABOVE normal ticket price on Stub Hub?  Yes for Pearl Jam but for most acts it is not that way. more often than not the secondary market is better for consumer.

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