The Democratic Presidential Debates
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I guess that could be true for any negative ad run. I hope this is a way to break through to the non-engaged voters.pjl44 said:
Yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword, though. If someone is advancing ideas or candidates you like, it's easy for one to welcome it. If it's something you dislike, it's easy for one to scream about the destructive influence of money in politics.mrussel1 said:
I don't know, but I think every democrat should welcome it. Maybe not the candidates who don't want Bloomberg PR, but it's good for us rank and file.pjl44 said:
Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?pjl44 said:
There is this theory:pjhawks said:what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction?
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-110 -
I never claimed she is not making a comparison(?).mrussel1 said:
How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison? When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad". So how does AOC say the party is center not left? Compared to what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?mrussel1 said:
It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument. It’s easy to resort to snark. But it’s not my point, it is hers. And I think it’s incorrect as stated. It’s also irrelevant. She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants. But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit. Because her view is the minority view as of today. The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern. How’d that work out?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Lol. Sure thing.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, that’s right. That’s the world political stage. Reality sucks.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
If you include China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and a host of African and ME nations, it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative. That's silly. There's more to the world than Western EuropeSpiritual_Chaos said:
So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison.mrussel1 said:
Her "comparison" must be European countries, not the world political stage and certainly not the States.
- The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.
- In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!
cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point -- i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.
Lol.
"Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"
- Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.
- But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!
Solid point.
very solid.
Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?
Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.
This is basic debate 101 stuff here.
I wrote "the unemployment-numbers here are quite high"
She says "the democratic party over here is quite right"
I am just over here in sanityville saying that throwing in Iran, China and/or Latveria to bolster an argument of "in comparison it's not so right winged after all" is quite:
Her comparison and conclusion sounds a lot more apt. and less "clutching at dictatorship straws" than yours.
And in seven hours it's Dance of the Clairvoyants time."Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I guess.pjl44 said:
Yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword, though. If someone is advancing ideas or candidates you like, it's easy for one to welcome it. If it's something you dislike, it's easy for one to scream about the destructive influence of money in politics.mrussel1 said:
I don't know, but I think every democrat should welcome it. Maybe not the candidates who don't want Bloomberg PR, but it's good for us rank and file.pjl44 said:
Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?pjl44 said:
There is this theory:pjhawks said:what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction?
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-11"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
If she said "compared to western European democracies, our democratic party is not really left, it's more center-right", then I'd say.. yeah that's accurate. I agree. But she didn't say that. It's not my fault that she can't speak with precision. In the work I do, we speak with precision, and if you don't, you get your knees cut out. My point is the same as it was and has been on the AOC page. If she hates how "big tent" the party is, then GTFO. I like it personally.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I never claimed she is not making a comparison(?).mrussel1 said:
How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison? When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad". So how does AOC say the party is center not left? Compared to what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?mrussel1 said:
It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument. It’s easy to resort to snark. But it’s not my point, it is hers. And I think it’s incorrect as stated. It’s also irrelevant. She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants. But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit. Because her view is the minority view as of today. The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern. How’d that work out?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Lol. Sure thing.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, that’s right. That’s the world political stage. Reality sucks.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
If you include China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and a host of African and ME nations, it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative. That's silly. There's more to the world than Western EuropeSpiritual_Chaos said:
So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison.mrussel1 said:
Her "comparison" must be European countries, not the world political stage and certainly not the States.
- The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.
- In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!
cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point -- i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.
Lol.
"Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"
- Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.
- But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!
Solid point.
very solid.
Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?
Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.
This is basic debate 101 stuff here.
I wrote "the unemployment-numbers here are quite high"
She says "the democratic party over here is quite right"
I am just over here in sanityville saying that throwing in Iran, China and/or Latveria to bolster an argument of "in comparison it's not so right winged after all" is quite:
Her comparison and conclusion sounds a lot more apt. and less "clutching at dictatorship straws" than yours.
And in seven hours it's Dance of the Clairvoyants time.0 -
I would say that was implied. She talked about modern, major, civilised countries (obviously). Not countries run by Ming the Merciless and Skeletor. And choosing to attack her and choosing (as is my belief that you do) to focus on how she speaks is once again - pounding the table.mrussel1 said:
If she said "compared to western European democracies, our democratic party is not really left, it's more center-right", then I'd say.. yeah that's accurate. I agree. But she didn't say that. It's not my fault that she can't speak with precision. In the work I do, we speak with precision, and if you don't, you get your knees cut out. My point is the same as it was and has been on the AOC page. If she hates how "big tent" the party is, then GTFO. I like it personally.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I never claimed she is not making a comparison(?).mrussel1 said:
How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison? When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad". So how does AOC say the party is center not left? Compared to what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?mrussel1 said:
It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument. It’s easy to resort to snark. But it’s not my point, it is hers. And I think it’s incorrect as stated. It’s also irrelevant. She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants. But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit. Because her view is the minority view as of today. The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern. How’d that work out?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Lol. Sure thing.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, that’s right. That’s the world political stage. Reality sucks.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
If you include China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and a host of African and ME nations, it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative. That's silly. There's more to the world than Western EuropeSpiritual_Chaos said:
So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison.mrussel1 said:
Her "comparison" must be European countries, not the world political stage and certainly not the States.
- The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.
- In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!
cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point -- i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.
Lol.
"Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"
- Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.
- But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!
Solid point.
very solid.
Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?
Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.
This is basic debate 101 stuff here.
I wrote "the unemployment-numbers here are quite high"
She says "the democratic party over here is quite right"
I am just over here in sanityville saying that throwing in Iran, China and/or Latveria to bolster an argument of "in comparison it's not so right winged after all" is quite:
Her comparison and conclusion sounds a lot more apt. and less "clutching at dictatorship straws" than yours.
And in seven hours it's Dance of the Clairvoyants time.
I feel like you and I are going in circles like that scene in A Nightmare on Elm Street part 4: The Dream Master.
I don't remember how they snap out of it. They don't get to Debbie in time though . Lets hope we snap out of it before our Debbie gets it.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
The amount spent per candidate thus far, though, has been....interestingmrussel1 said:
I guess that could be true for any negative ad run. I hope this is a way to break through to the non-engaged voters.pjl44 said:
Yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword, though. If someone is advancing ideas or candidates you like, it's easy for one to welcome it. If it's something you dislike, it's easy for one to scream about the destructive influence of money in politics.mrussel1 said:
I don't know, but I think every democrat should welcome it. Maybe not the candidates who don't want Bloomberg PR, but it's good for us rank and file.pjl44 said:
Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?pjl44 said:
There is this theory:pjhawks said:what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction?
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-11
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You could stop bringing in clips designed to elicit arguments. That's one way to stop the loop.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I would say that was implied. She talked about modern, major, civilised countries (obviously). Not countries run by Ming the Merciless and Skeletor. And choosing to attack her and choosing (as is my belief that you do) to focus on how she speaks is once again - pounding the table.mrussel1 said:
If she said "compared to western European democracies, our democratic party is not really left, it's more center-right", then I'd say.. yeah that's accurate. I agree. But she didn't say that. It's not my fault that she can't speak with precision. In the work I do, we speak with precision, and if you don't, you get your knees cut out. My point is the same as it was and has been on the AOC page. If she hates how "big tent" the party is, then GTFO. I like it personally.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I never claimed she is not making a comparison(?).mrussel1 said:
How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison? When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad". So how does AOC say the party is center not left? Compared to what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?mrussel1 said:
It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument. It’s easy to resort to snark. But it’s not my point, it is hers. And I think it’s incorrect as stated. It’s also irrelevant. She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants. But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit. Because her view is the minority view as of today. The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern. How’d that work out?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Lol. Sure thing.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, that’s right. That’s the world political stage. Reality sucks.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
If you include China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and a host of African and ME nations, it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative. That's silly. There's more to the world than Western EuropeSpiritual_Chaos said:
So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison.mrussel1 said:
Her "comparison" must be European countries, not the world political stage and certainly not the States.
- The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.
- In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!
cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point -- i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.
Lol.
"Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"
- Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.
- But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!
Solid point.
very solid.
Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?
Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.
This is basic debate 101 stuff here.
I wrote "the unemployment-numbers here are quite high"
She says "the democratic party over here is quite right"
I am just over here in sanityville saying that throwing in Iran, China and/or Latveria to bolster an argument of "in comparison it's not so right winged after all" is quite:
Her comparison and conclusion sounds a lot more apt. and less "clutching at dictatorship straws" than yours.
And in seven hours it's Dance of the Clairvoyants time.
I feel like you and I are going in circles like that scene in A Nightmare on Elm Street part 4: The Dream Master.
I don't remember how they snap out of it. They don't get to Debbie in time though . Lets hope we snap out of it before our Debbie gets it.0 -
Nuts, right? Here's the full article.mrussel1 said:196mm??? Is that right? That's crazy!
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/797048821/new-figures-show-billionaire-candidates-spending-big-with-little-return
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I posted the other day that collective Democrats have raised 3x than Trump. Throw in Bloomberg and Steyer cash and you have a real gulf developing. Imagine if Bloomberg won the nomination... combine his cash with fundraising. Astronomical numbers.pjl44 said:
Nuts, right? Here's the full article.mrussel1 said:196mm??? Is that right? That's crazy!
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/17/797048821/new-figures-show-billionaire-candidates-spending-big-with-little-return0 -
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mrussel1 said:
How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison? When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad". So how does AOC say the party is center not left? Compared to what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?mrussel1 said:
It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument. It’s easy to resort to snark. But it’s not my point, it is hers. And I think it’s incorrect as stated. It’s also irrelevant. She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants. But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit. Because her view is the minority view as of today. The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern. How’d that work out?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Lol. Sure thing.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, that’s right. That’s the world political stage. Reality sucks.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
If you include China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and a host of African and ME nations, it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative. That's silly. There's more to the world than Western EuropeSpiritual_Chaos said:
So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison.mrussel1 said:
Her "comparison" must be European countries, not the world political stage and certainly not the States.
- The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.
- In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!
cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point -- i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.
Lol.
"Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"
- Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.
- But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!
Solid point.
very solid.
Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?
Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.
This is basic debate 101 stuff here.It's gotta have something to do with that "two lefts don't make a right" thing maybe?I do think she has a point though. There are members of the party that are left enough to be called left, but really, these days, most are playing it closer to the center, enough so that I don't think you can call the whole party "left" (and I'm not even sure what that means any more- time have changed!)."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
pjl44 said:
The amount spent per candidate thus far, though, has been....interestingmrussel1 said:
I guess that could be true for any negative ad run. I hope this is a way to break through to the non-engaged voters.pjl44 said:
Yeah, it's kind of a double edged sword, though. If someone is advancing ideas or candidates you like, it's easy for one to welcome it. If it's something you dislike, it's easy for one to scream about the destructive influence of money in politics.mrussel1 said:
I don't know, but I think every democrat should welcome it. Maybe not the candidates who don't want Bloomberg PR, but it's good for us rank and file.pjl44 said:
Following up on this theory. Is this guy running for President or does he want to pay candidate rates vs. super pac rates?pjl44 said:
There is this theory:pjhawks said:what is up with Bloomberg? seems to spending a lot of money but is he gaining any traction?
https://www.businessinsider.com/mike-bloomberg-presidential-run-cheap-rates-anti-trump-ads-2019-11Bloomberg is pissed trump is president and will spend 0.5% of his money to make sure that his presidency ends.0 -
mrussel1 said:
If she said "compared to western European democracies, our democratic party is not really left, it's more center-right", then I'd say.. yeah that's accurate. I agree. But she didn't say that. It's not my fault that she can't speak with precision. In the work I do, we speak with precision, and if you don't, you get your knees cut out. My point is the same as it was and has been on the AOC page. If she hates how "big tent" the party is, then GTFO. I like it personally.Spiritual_Chaos said:
I never claimed she is not making a comparison(?).mrussel1 said:
How does one make a statement that the party is center or center-conservative without making a comparison? When you say "unemployment is bad" that's clearly a comparison to a specific set of reasonably accepted metrics, like "Full employment is 4.5% and we're higher so unemployment is bad". So how does AOC say the party is center not left? Compared to what?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Journalist: The unemployment-numbers here are quite high, how are you gonna fix that?mrussel1 said:
It’s tough when you don’t have a counter argument. It’s easy to resort to snark. But it’s not my point, it is hers. And I think it’s incorrect as stated. It’s also irrelevant. She can walk around and complain that the Democratic Party isn’t elitist and narrow enough ideologically all she wants. But it doesn’t change the fact that she needs to be a part of it or exit. Because her view is the minority view as of today. The party hasn’t nominated a far left candidate since McGovern. How’d that work out?Spiritual_Chaos said:
Lol. Sure thing.mrussel1 said:
Yeah, that’s right. That’s the world political stage. Reality sucks.Spiritual_Chaos said:mrussel1 said:
If you include China, Russia, Turkey, Iran, and a host of African and ME nations, it's really hard to declare the Democratic party as center conservative. That's silly. There's more to the world than Western EuropeSpiritual_Chaos said:
So, her "comparison" is Europe. And your "world political stage" is what? And if it's a comparison - then how could it be or certainly not be the States? If "the States" - then it wouldn't be a comparison.mrussel1 said:
Her "comparison" must be European countries, not the world political stage and certainly not the States.
- The new Pearl jam album sounds a lot more New Wave than Neil Young does.
- In a "Comparison" to Neil Young yes -- but it sounds the exact same amount of New Wave as Pearl Jam does!
cincybearcat says - you do have a solid point -- i guess, if you include severely broken and corrupt dictatorships or de facto dictatorships.
Lol.
"Why compare with Europe when you can compare yourself to Russia"
- Pearl Jam Backspacer was pretty bad compared to Nine Inch Nails latest album.
- But not if you compare it to Rebecca Black!
Solid point.
very solid.
Politician: HAVE YOU SEEN NORTH KOREA?
Journalist: True. World stage. unemployment-numbers are great. Solid even.
This is basic debate 101 stuff here.
I wrote "the unemployment-numbers here are quite high"
She says "the democratic party over here is quite right"
I am just over here in sanityville saying that throwing in Iran, China and/or Latveria to bolster an argument of "in comparison it's not so right winged after all" is quite:
Her comparison and conclusion sounds a lot more apt. and less "clutching at dictatorship straws" than yours.
And in seven hours it's Dance of the Clairvoyants time.Perhaps we can ask her how many electoral votes these Western Europe countries have?
as far as DotC, that’s probably more for the AOC generation than for me. Back to Fear Innoculum for me, if I can ever get that spelling correct. Apple can’t.0 -
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I'd still love to see your answer to my comment about how Sanders gets a single bill passed in his presidency. It's not more than basic math/stats: if Republicans overwhelmingly vote along party lines, and even Democrats are splintered between their center identity and their left identity when it comes to supporting a bill, how does a Democrat win a majority today on the House or Senate floor with what's seen by the masses (not some dude called Spiritual_Chaos) as a radical shift to the left?Spiritual_Chaos said:'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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I thought we had each other on ignore?benjs said:
I'd still love to see your answer to my comment about how Sanders gets a single bill passed in his presidency. It's not more than basic math/stats: if Republicans overwhelmingly vote along party lines, and even Democrats are splintered between their center identity and their left identity when it comes to supporting a bill, how does a Democrat win a majority today on the House or Senate floor with what's seen by the masses (not some dude called Spiritual_Chaos) as a radical shift to the left?Spiritual_Chaos said:"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0
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