The Democratic Presidential Debates

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

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HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 

Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 

So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

False dilemma : 
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  

So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?

I m going anytime pre 1964.  

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mickeyrat said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 

Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 

So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

False dilemma : 
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  

So I love an unreasonable argument.  Over what period of time is this statement?

I m going anytime pre 1964.  

nah , pre Gingrich. thats when the turn in Congress began.

Clinton over Reagan/Bush and Bush/Quayle and Obama over Bush. Team Trump Treason won’t surpass Obama because like Reagan and Bush, exploded the deficit and ultimately will leave the Economy in shambles. But you know, libs get blamed for the economy the repubs ruined.

Clinton over Reagan?  I like bill a lot but I think Reagan wins.  Regal definitely over carter.  

Eisenhower or jfk/lbj?

So selling dangerous military weapons to the Ayatollah of Iran moments after Reagan getting sworn into office is "Regal."

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HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

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mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 

Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 

So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

False dilemma : 
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  

so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 

It is this sense of elitism that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

Well, if you want to re-elect Team Trump Treason, vote third party.

I m not gonna vote for someone on the far left.  Biden Or Pete I will vote for. Sander or warren?  Hell no. 

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1187956431468806144?s=19

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

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Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 

Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 

So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

False dilemma : 
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  

so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 

It is this sense of elitism that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

Well, if you want to re-elect Team Trump Treason, vote third party.

I m not gonna vote for someone on the far left.  Biden Or Pete I will vote for. Sander or warren?  Hell no. 

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1187956431468806144?s=19

What's the point of calling yourself a liberal if you don't allow anyone else to have a different view?  People should absolute analyze each candidate and decide which one most closely aligns with their own beliefs.  This is especially true in the primaries.  

Because dumb shits throw a fit when their perfect candidate isn't nominated, and vote third party or sit out.  There is no perfect candidate for everyone.  Individuals voters have to compromise their own beliefs for what is good for all of society.  

That is why the GOP playbook is fear, uncertainty, and doubt.  It plays on the emotions of the individual, rather than promoting actual societal solutions.  

The question is not which candidate is best for me, it's which candidate is best for the country.  Vote blue no matter who!

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 

Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 

So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

False dilemma : 
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  

so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 

It is this sense of elitism that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

Well, if you want to re-elect Team Trump Treason, vote third party.

I m not gonna vote for someone on the far left.  Biden Or Pete I will vote for. Sander or warren?  Hell no. 

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1187956431468806144?s=19

What's the point of calling yourself a liberal if you don't allow anyone else to have a different view?  People should absolute analyze each candidate and decide which one most closely aligns with their own beliefs.  This is especially true in the primaries.  

Because dumb shits throw a fit when their perfect candidate isn't nominated, and vote third party or sit out.  There is no perfect candidate for everyone.  Individuals voters have to compromise their own beliefs for what is good for all of society.  

That is why the GOP playbook is fear, uncertainty, and doubt.  It plays on the emotions of the individual, rather than promoting actual societal solutions.  

The question is not which candidate is best for me, it's which candidate is best for the country.  Vote blue no matter who!

Mcgruff is expressing the precise point that Maher made in New Rules. He's someone that leans right but is disgusted by Trump.  Vote Blue is the rallying cry for Democrats to show unity,  not a slogan to persuade center to center right people m

Correct.  And I forgot to add quotes on my first sentence and credit Maher. My bad on that. The left is becoming too left.  In my state we are giving away more and more money for illegal immigrants to go to college.  Yeah, What about my kids?  How about pumping that money in the general fund? I am growing more and more tired of the Democrat party.  

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mcgruff10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant. 

Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people.  Thanks for telling me how to vote.  

It's not holier than thou, or making assumptions.

Grass is green, sky is blue, USA has a two party political system.  It's really not up for debate.

Voting third party is like buying a vowel on Jeopardy.  You don't even deserve a participation ribbon. 

So if people don't like either candidate then they should stay home and not vote?  

False dilemma : 
A fallacy of oversimplification that offers a limited number of options (usually two) when in reality more options are available. Also known as the either-or fallacy, the fallacy of the excluded middle, and the black and white fallacy.

If people don't like either candidate, they should get the fence post out of their ass and realize one candidate is clearly a better option than the other. 

That candidate is nearly always a Democrat.  By any and every metric, the Democratic party has outperformed the GOP. 

Prove me wrong.  Or sit down and shut up.  

so you post the definition of false dilemma, the fallacy of there being only two options, as your argument to mcgruff that there are only two options? interesting debate tactic.  

shouting at people and insulting their intelligence isn't the way to get them to vote democrat. 

It is this sense of elitism that gives the dems a bad name and gives more and more ammo to trump. 

Well, if you want to re-elect Team Trump Treason, vote third party.

I m not gonna vote for someone on the far left.  Biden Or Pete I will vote for. Sander or warren?  Hell no. 

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1187956431468806144?s=19

What's the point of calling yourself a liberal if you don't allow anyone else to have a different view?  People should absolute analyze each candidate and decide which one most closely aligns with their own beliefs.  This is especially true in the primaries.  

Because dumb shits throw a fit when their perfect candidate isn't nominated, and vote third party or sit out.  There is no perfect candidate for everyone.  Individuals voters have to compromise their own beliefs for what is good for all of society.  

That is why the GOP playbook is fear, uncertainty, and doubt.  It plays on the emotions of the individual, rather than promoting actual societal solutions.  

The question is not which candidate is best for me, it's which candidate is best for the country.  Vote blue no matter who!

so anyone who votes third party is a dumb shit?  would you consider Teddy Roosevelt a dumb shit? Ralph Nader? Ross Perot?   So I"m supposed to compromise my own beliefs and vote just based on party?  Sounds like you are the blind "dumb shit".  
I feel like you are calling out millennials but you yourself are the definition of one.  (not me, born 1977)

so anyone who votes third party is a dumb shit?  
Yes

would you consider Teddy Roosevelt a dumb shit?
pretty sure Teddy was a Republican, and we had a two party system then too

Ralph Nader? Ross Perot?  
Yes - both dumb shits.  See also : Gary Johnson and Jill Stein.  

So I"m supposed to compromise my own beliefs and vote just based on party?  
No, apparently you just need a better set of beliefs. 

But if you were to vote based on party, I thinks it's an obvious choice.  Do you want to associate yourself with criminals, pedophiles, racists and warmongers?  Or with the party that wants to figure out how to provide healthcare and education.  You would think it's a no-brainer, but here we are...