The Democratic Presidential Debates
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Hillary thinks she won or would have won the last three elections.... why wouldn’t she feel she could win a forth term?Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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I wish it was only 8 trillion. Bernie's estimate for M4A in 2016 was 13 trillion. Most indy estimates are well into the 20's. This is over a decade.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.mrussel1 said:
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.HughFreakingDillon said:I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.
I'm not afraid of the tax itself I'm afraid ideas like that create more republican presidents.
I believe the USA is behind many other nation that have more adequate safety nets.
But expecting to convert the current care system to M4A in one step is not practical nor realistic. And a majority of voters have never asked for that.
I think warren has about $8 trillion in new govt programs she is campaigning for. That almost certainly will get us more trump not more govt.0 -
I am aware that we vote on multiple issues. I was only commenting on that ONE. I have no idea why are saying one aspect of a platform can't or shouldn't be addressed.mrussel1 said:
That's not a personal shot. My point is that you're saying "I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.". But we're not voting on this issue. We're voting on the aggregation of her policies and this is just one of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
i can't talk about specific issues? news to me.mrussel1 said:
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.mrussel1 said:
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.HughFreakingDillon said:I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Okay then why do you say "people are so scared" of the wealth tax? In polling, that particular issue has over 70% approval. And in a country of 300 million divided people, anything that polls in the 70's is pretty overwhelming. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt of talking about broader issues, but now I'm confused about your entire point. I hope you don't expect 99%.HughFreakingDillon said:
I am aware that we vote on multiple issues. I was only commenting on that ONE. I have no idea why are saying one aspect of a platform can't or shouldn't be addressed.mrussel1 said:
That's not a personal shot. My point is that you're saying "I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.". But we're not voting on this issue. We're voting on the aggregation of her policies and this is just one of them.HughFreakingDillon said:
i can't talk about specific issues? news to me.mrussel1 said:
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.mrussel1 said:
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.HughFreakingDillon said:I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.0 -
I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
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Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.0 -
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
mcgruff10 said:
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
Yeah but in swing states, that'll be Tulsi getting 4% so Trump can scoop up 100% of the electoral votes0 -
mrussel1 said:
I wish it was only 8 trillion. Bernie's estimate for M4A in 2016 was 13 trillion. Most indy estimates are well into the 20's. This is over a decade.Lerxst1992 said:mrussel1 said:
I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless. It feels like a way to demonize the rich. I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me. I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax.HughFreakingDillon said:
I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them.mrussel1 said:
M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population. For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets. It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not. There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%. I don't know that the math works.HughFreakingDillon said:I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.
people have no fucking idea what real socialism is.
Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free. That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.
But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals. I don't think you can do that. When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A.
I'm not afraid of the tax itself I'm afraid ideas like that create more republican presidents.
I believe the USA is behind many other nation that have more adequate safety nets.
But expecting to convert the current care system to M4A in one step is not practical nor realistic. And a majority of voters have never asked for that.
I think warren has about $8 trillion in new govt programs she is campaigning for. That almost certainly will get us more trump not more govt.
I am hoping the 13 trillion is some 10 year budgetary estimate. The study Biden keeps citing is 32 trillion over 10 years for m4a.0 -
For moderates.mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
Yes, which makes it a general election problem.dankind said:
For moderates.mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.0 -
Do you consider yourself far to the left?dankind said:
For moderates.mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.I'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
Great ending comment from Bill Maher last night about how difficult Democrats make it for voters by trying to outflank each other to the left
https://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kM
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I don’t consider myself much of anything.mcgruff10 said:
Do you consider yourself far to the left?dankind said:
For moderates.mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.I ask not what my country can do for me nor what I can do for my country.I SAW PEARL JAM0 -
jfc not this shit againmcgruff10 said:
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.0 -
Lol. I always love the holier than thou attitude and ignorant assumptions by some people. Thanks for telling me how to vote.CM189191 said:
jfc not this shit againmcgruff10 said:
Correct. I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate. (Not that it matters in nj)mrussel1 said:
Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing. Their escalating price tags is a problem.HughFreakingDillon said:I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted.
We are a two party system
Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up
It's not edgy or cool or a protest. It's flat out ignorant.
Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
That whole show was good.Lerxst1992 said:Great ending comment from Bill Maher last night about how difficult Democrats make it for voters by trying to outflank each other to the lefthttps://youtu.be/JtPQQjj01kMBristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Maher is 100% correct. It's possible to tack so far to one side during the primary, that you can't credibly move to the center afterwards.0
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I don't think Warren and Bernie want to move towards the center. Assuming that's who he's talking about, I didn't watch the video.mrussel1 said:Maher is 100% correct. It's possible to tack so far to one side during the primary, that you can't credibly move to the center afterwards.0 -
It's all of them.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180
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