The Democratic Presidential Debates

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice. 

people have no fucking idea what real socialism is. 

M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population.  For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets.  It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not.  There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%.  I don't know that the math works.

Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free.  That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.  

I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them. 

I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless.  It feels like a way to demonize the rich.  I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me.  I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax.  
But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals.  I don't think you can do that.  When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A. 

I'm not afraid of the tax itself I'm afraid ideas like that create more republican presidents.

I believe the USA is behind many other nation that have more adequate safety nets.

But expecting to convert the current care system to M4A in one step is not practical nor realistic. And a majority of voters have never asked for that.

I think warren has about $8  trillion in new govt programs she is campaigning for. That almost certainly will get us more trump not more govt.

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice. 

people have no fucking idea what real socialism is. 

M4A is not a tiny % of the population, it will have to be almost all of the current tax paying population.  For the other ones that are "wealth tax" or "wall street tax", well for one lots of normal people trade stocks either directly or through the movement of their 401(k) assets.  It's not clear to me whether those are in scope or not.  There's also a skepticism (at least by me) that these programs will be limited in payment to just that 1%.  I don't know that the math works.

Last, I'm completely against waiving student loans and making all college free.  That's about the least progressive idea that I've seen from a Democrat in a long, long time.  

I'm talking about her wealth tax. the amount of people who have a household income of $50M is pretty minuscule, as is the amount it would affect them. 

I feel like she's used that tax to pay for half the stuff she has proposed, so to me, right now it's fairly meaningless.  It feels like a way to demonize the rich.  I couple that with Bernie's declaration that billionaires should not exist, which is dangerous rhetoric to me.  I think the obvious result of this tax will be a massive capital flight from the US, making the money not even subject to capital gains or any other type of current progressive tax.  
But I feel like you're separating this specific tax from teh rest of her proposals.  I don't think you can do that.  When you vote for the person, you're voting for all of the proposals on the table, including M4A. 

i can't talk about specific issues? news to me. 

That's not a personal shot.  My point is that you're saying "I don't get why people are so fucking scared of taxing a minuscule percentage of society who have gobs of it to be taxed and won't even notice.".  But we're not voting on this issue.  We're voting on the aggregation of her policies and this is just one of them.  

I am aware that we vote on multiple issues. I was only commenting on that ONE. I have no idea why are saying one aspect of a platform can't or shouldn't be addressed.  

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

For moderates. 

mcgruff10 said:

dankind said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

For moderates. 

Do you consider yourself far to the left?

CM189191 said:

mcgruff10 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I was responding to the "and moderates are terrified" article that was posted. 

Fair enough, but hte 'terror' is from Warren and Sanders trying to outflank each other on the left on all of their policies, not just a wealth tax thing.  Their escalating price tags is a problem. 

Correct.  I might honestly vote third party if warren or sanders is the candidate.  (Not that it matters in nj)

jfc not this shit again

We are a two party system

Voting third party reflects a complete ignorance of how our government is set up

It's not edgy or cool or a protest.  It's flat out ignorant.