Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME
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HughFreakingDillon said:honestly, and I hope this doesn't come across as offensive, but I find the unemotional way she usually carries herself (save for the UN speech), to be quite beneficial to her cause. Whether that's her personality or her asperger's is irrelevant to me. she speaks almost in a very logical manner, kind of like Spock or Data (no, I don't watch Star Trek, but I know who they are). It really makes you think because you aren't drawn to criticize her "drama" because she is speaking from the mind, not from the heart. the interview I watched with Trevor Noah was incredibly logical and almost like listening to a scientist.
"in america, climate change is a belief; where I am from, it is fact".
"what did you notice about new york when you were approaching by boat?"
"the smell"
you can't get any more blunt about it than that.
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cincybearcat said:Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that.
Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.
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dignin said:If anything Greta showed amazing restraint and poise. The opposite of overreacting.
I would expect her and her generation to be way more upset.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
PJ_Soul said:cincybearcat said:Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that.
Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.
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A Tesla Model 3 starts at 55 grand Canadian. Still not affordable for most people. It does not matter how much you save on gas if you cannot afford the payment...and finance companies also do not care how much you save on gas if you cannot afford to pay them back. Personally, I think if there was an electric car revolution happening the big autos would be all over this.Give Peas A Chance…0
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Like I said, you don't have to buy a Tesla.Also, the auto companies won't be the ones to really grow the market. The government will be. The only thing really restricting the market right now is the concern of potential buyers about access to charging stations. If the government pushes to have them all over the place, with room for everyone who wants to buy an e-car, so that people can go basically anywhere they want without worrying about finding an available charging station, e-cars would sell like hot cakes. The car manufacturers could of course contribute to such an initiative too. One thing that WON'T grow the market is just pushing the cars out on the market without an already established infrastructure to support them. The manufacturers know that.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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Meltdown99 said:A Tesla Model 3 starts at 55 grand Canadian. Still not affordable for most people. It does not matter how much you save on gas if you cannot afford the payment...and finance companies also do not care how much you save on gas if you cannot afford to pay them back. Personally, I think if there was an electric car revolution happening the big autos would be all over this.I wouldn't call it a revolution, more like a slow to moderate and consistently gradual change. I see more electric cars and charging stations all the time. Charging stations have been added to the waiting area at the Sacramento International Airport (SFM), our local food co-op, one near town at Mosquito Road and one of our largest grocery stores- and those are just the ones I happened to notice. It's happening.And remember, hybrids were considered very expensive when they came out. And then they came down to the point where we- used book dealers- were able to afford one. Anybody with average wages and knows how to budget well can afford a hybrid and soon, electric cars as well. Good budgeting is the key. I hear people all the time say, I can't afford this, I can't afford that. And these are people who make more money than we do.Post edited by brianlux on"It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...
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Meltdown99 said:The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...
By the way, how turned on do you get when you buy plastic bags or straws? STICKING IT TO THE MAN!"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"0 -
Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...
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PJ_Soul said:cincybearcat said:Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that.
Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.hippiemom = goodness0 -
benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...
and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”
hey...but what do I know about money...
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mcgruff10 said:benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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Does Tesla and these electric car manufacturers even pay attention to consumer trends. People are buying SUV’s and Trucks. I know Tesla has an SUV (hate to imagine the Tesla price on an SUV).Give Peas A Chance…0
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mcgruff10 said:benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.Give Peas A Chance…0
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Meltdown99 said:mcgruff10 said:benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.
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Meltdown99 said:benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...
and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”
hey...but what do I know about money...
On my bolded statement, you seem to have forgotten that people make varying degrees of money, and have different levels of savings/budgets/expenses/priorities than yourself.
Finally, we're predominantly random people we've each never met. If that's the bar you set for what you care about, or whose opinions you'll reject when you disagree with them, it makes sense that you show such little respect.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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mcgruff10 said:Meltdown99 said:mcgruff10 said:benjs said:Meltdown99 said:Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.Give Peas A Chance…0
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