Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME

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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
    Because you never owned a car or had enough money to buy it outright?
    and if there is no interest how is it a waste of money?
    I retired at 42, some of the reason why, not wasting money on car payments.
    For you, that was your priority. I love my work, and the people I work with are some of my best friends. I'm only 29 so give me 13 years to see whether I'm in the same mental state, but a waste for me would be to not buy a car (as the liberation and flexibility I receive from it to me justifies the cost), and/or to stop using my brain for fulfilling work with great people. 
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    benjs said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
    Because you never owned a car or had enough money to buy it outright?
    and if there is no interest how is it a waste of money?
    I retired at 42, some of the reason why, not wasting money on car payments.
    For you, that was your priority. I love my work, and the people I work with are some of my best friends. I'm only 29 so give me 13 years to see whether I'm in the same mental state, but a waste for me would be to not buy a car (as the liberation and flexibility I receive from it to me justifies the cost), and/or to stop using my brain for fulfilling work with great people. 
    Didn't say didn't have car.  no car payments


    I will never understand somebody making 50k a year and buying a 50k car.  tons of people do it though.  Then they move on to the next car and the next round of payments
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    meh, if you live in a city where the infrastructure supports not needing a vehicle, I'd do that too. Winnipeg currently has horrendous transit. they are trying, but the regressives in my city don't want mass transit (too expensive, who needs it?) and bike lanes (it's too cold half the year to ride your bike, I hate cyclists). very few people live downtown, with good reason. crime, lack of resources (NOT ONE GROCERY STORE IN THE CORE AREA). some are trying to change all that, but it's a very uphill battle. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    meh, if you live in a city where the infrastructure supports not needing a vehicle, I'd do that too. Winnipeg currently has horrendous transit. they are trying, but the regressives in my city don't want mass transit (too expensive, who needs it?) and bike lanes (it's too cold half the year to ride your bike, I hate cyclists). very few people live downtown, with good reason. crime, lack of resources (NOT ONE GROCERY STORE IN THE CORE AREA). some are trying to change all that, but it's a very uphill battle. 
    So what you are telling me is to skip the next pj show in winnipeg.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    Smellyman said:
    benjs said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
    Because you never owned a car or had enough money to buy it outright?
    and if there is no interest how is it a waste of money?
    I retired at 42, some of the reason why, not wasting money on car payments.
    For you, that was your priority. I love my work, and the people I work with are some of my best friends. I'm only 29 so give me 13 years to see whether I'm in the same mental state, but a waste for me would be to not buy a car (as the liberation and flexibility I receive from it to me justifies the cost), and/or to stop using my brain for fulfilling work with great people. 
    Didn't say didn't have car.  no car payments


    I will never understand somebody making 50k a year and buying a 50k car.  tons of people do it though.  Then they move on to the next car and the next round of payments
    Oh, my apologies! I'm right there with you on people living above their means.
    '05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2

    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    meh, if you live in a city where the infrastructure supports not needing a vehicle, I'd do that too. Winnipeg currently has horrendous transit. they are trying, but the regressives in my city don't want mass transit (too expensive, who needs it?) and bike lanes (it's too cold half the year to ride your bike, I hate cyclists). very few people live downtown, with good reason. crime, lack of resources (NOT ONE GROCERY STORE IN THE CORE AREA). some are trying to change all that, but it's a very uphill battle. 
    So what you are telling me is to skip the next pj show in winnipeg.  
    I have no issue going to Jets games or concerts at the MTS Centre downtown. Safety in numbers. But I'd never live downtown. Not at the moment. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    benjs said:
    Smellyman said:
    benjs said:
    Smellyman said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Smellyman said:
    I haven't had a car payment in 25 years.  single biggest waste of money people spend money on.
    Because you never owned a car or had enough money to buy it outright?
    and if there is no interest how is it a waste of money?
    I retired at 42, some of the reason why, not wasting money on car payments.
    For you, that was your priority. I love my work, and the people I work with are some of my best friends. I'm only 29 so give me 13 years to see whether I'm in the same mental state, but a waste for me would be to not buy a car (as the liberation and flexibility I receive from it to me justifies the cost), and/or to stop using my brain for fulfilling work with great people. 
    Didn't say didn't have car.  no car payments


    I will never understand somebody making 50k a year and buying a 50k car.  tons of people do it though.  Then they move on to the next car and the next round of payments
    Oh, my apologies! I'm right there with you on people living above their means.
    Yeah totally agree.  I have my first car payment in five years...good times.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    meh, if you live in a city where the infrastructure supports not needing a vehicle, I'd do that too. Winnipeg currently has horrendous transit. they are trying, but the regressives in my city don't want mass transit (too expensive, who needs it?) and bike lanes (it's too cold half the year to ride your bike, I hate cyclists). very few people live downtown, with good reason. crime, lack of resources (NOT ONE GROCERY STORE IN THE CORE AREA). some are trying to change all that, but it's a very uphill battle. 
    So what you are telling me is to skip the next pj show in winnipeg.  
    I have no issue going to Jets games or concerts at the MTS Centre downtown. Safety in numbers. But I'd never live downtown. Not at the moment. 

    I've only ever been to Winnipeg once, and that was many years ago. I've heard about the crime rates (who hasn't?) but didn't realize that your downtown core was so unlivable. That sucks! I live within walking distance of our downtown core and walk in at least a couple of times a week. I don't think it was ever unsafe, per se, but it sure used to be one of those ghost towns outside of business hours, since essentially no one lived there and there was nothing to draw people back except a little scenic strip along the inner harbour. There's been a total revitalization over the last 10+ years and now it's packed with pedestrians, and not just tourists. I hope Winnipeg finds a way to reinvent itself progressively rather than regressively. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    oftenreading said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    meh, if you live in a city where the infrastructure supports not needing a vehicle, I'd do that too. Winnipeg currently has horrendous transit. they are trying, but the regressives in my city don't want mass transit (too expensive, who needs it?) and bike lanes (it's too cold half the year to ride your bike, I hate cyclists). very few people live downtown, with good reason. crime, lack of resources (NOT ONE GROCERY STORE IN THE CORE AREA). some are trying to change all that, but it's a very uphill battle. 
    So what you are telling me is to skip the next pj show in winnipeg.  
    I have no issue going to Jets games or concerts at the MTS Centre downtown. Safety in numbers. But I'd never live downtown. Not at the moment. 

    I've only ever been to Winnipeg once, and that was many years ago. I've heard about the crime rates (who hasn't?) but didn't realize that your downtown core was so unlivable. That sucks! I live within walking distance of our downtown core and walk in at least a couple of times a week. I don't think it was ever unsafe, per se, but it sure used to be one of those ghost towns outside of business hours, since essentially no one lived there and there was nothing to draw people back except a little scenic strip along the inner harbour. There's been a total revitalization over the last 10+ years and now it's packed with pedestrians, and not just tourists. I hope Winnipeg finds a way to reinvent itself progressively rather than regressively. 
    i also live within walking distance of our downtown, and when it's nice, often walk to and/or from work. takes about 25 minutes. but yeah, living right downtown is not advisable. 

    before the jets came back, and before that when our arena wasn't downtown, it was a ghost town as well. no one in their right mind when downtown at night, unless you wanted to risk getting drugs there. it's slowly getting better, more restaurants and bars are opening there, and people are trying to develop condos and such, but to my knowledge no one is buying. I don't even know how Portage Place (our downtown mall) stays open. the only people that go in there are xmas shoppers once a year and transients. 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    edited October 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    Negative.  Driving a car or bike hard is so exhilarating.  Have you never tracked a car? Nothing like that adrenaline for me. 
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    In news that will surprise few people, the woman yelling about eating babies is a Trump supporter and member of a far right group with some pretty conspiracy-theory views. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    oftenreading said:
    In news that will surprise few people, the woman yelling about eating babies is a Trump supporter and member of a far right group with some pretty conspiracy-theory views. 
    exactly as suspected. but because trump jr tweeted about it, and trump sr retweeted it, they'll all believe it was an AOC supporter/climate change "nut". 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    oftenreading said:
    In news that will surprise few people, the woman yelling about eating babies is a Trump supporter and member of a far right group with some pretty conspiracy-theory views. 
    That makes a lot of sense.  I'm still intrigued by the swedish professor who thinks it is ok to eat human flesh.  I need to enroll in his class.   You think he does classes online?  Maybe my own classes could chat with him via the internet.  That would make some interesting discussion.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    In news that will surprise few people, the woman yelling about eating babies is a Trump supporter and member of a far right group with some pretty conspiracy-theory views. 
    That makes a lot of sense.  I'm still intrigued by the swedish professor who thinks it is ok to eat human flesh.  I need to enroll in his class.   You think he does classes online?  Maybe my own classes could chat with him via the internet.  That would make some interesting discussion.  
    Friday Special Choice at Little Caesar's: People Lover's Pizza or the Cannibal's Delight! 
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    edited October 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    I have to agree. This car addiction in North America is a big problem. So many people are being ridiculously defensive and stubborn when it comes to this topic. Many still seem to think that having a car is some sort of badge of honour or "real" adulthood, and a LOT of people actually look down on those who choose to live car-free. It's quite sad.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    In news that will surprise few people, the woman yelling about eating babies is a Trump supporter and member of a far right group with some pretty conspiracy-theory views. 
    That makes a lot of sense.  I'm still intrigued by the swedish professor who thinks it is ok to eat human flesh.  I need to enroll in his class.   You think he does classes online?  Maybe my own classes could chat with him via the internet.  That would make some interesting discussion.  

    Lots of misrepresentation online - again, no surprise. I've been reading up on this to determine if the reporting was correct, and it appears mostly not. The presentation was in Swedish so a little difficult to tell definitively, but both his own clarification in English and some translated comments show that he did not advocate or even suggest eating human flesh. He's a professor of marketing and his research is around understanding acceptability of certain ideas. Part of his talk was around what alternate foods might be acceptable in the future, and where the line will be drawn. The human flesh aspect was part of that progression - e.g., will people eat artificial meat? will people eat insect protein? will people break the cannibalism taboo? Breitbart et al misunderstood, but then again they're not known for subtle distinctions.

    More info provided here:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/swedish-scientist-cannibalism/
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    Negative.  Driving a car or bike hard is so exhilarating.  Have you never tracked a car? Nothing like that adrenaline for me. 

    Do you mean bicycle or motor bike? If bicycle, I'll agree with that, but in that case it's your own effort and strength and expanding your limits that's exhilarating. Just pushing the gas peddle on a vehicle is boring. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,694
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    In news that will surprise few people, the woman yelling about eating babies is a Trump supporter and member of a far right group with some pretty conspiracy-theory views. 
    That makes a lot of sense.  I'm still intrigued by the swedish professor who thinks it is ok to eat human flesh.  I need to enroll in his class.   You think he does classes online?  Maybe my own classes could chat with him via the internet.  That would make some interesting discussion.  

    Lots of misrepresentation online - again, no surprise. I've been reading up on this to determine if the reporting was correct, and it appears mostly not. The presentation was in Swedish so a little difficult to tell definitively, but both his own clarification in English and some translated comments show that he did not advocate or even suggest eating human flesh. He's a professor of marketing and his research is around understanding acceptability of certain ideas. Part of his talk was around what alternate foods might be acceptable in the future, and where the line will be drawn. The human flesh aspect was part of that progression - e.g., will people eat artificial meat? will people eat insect protein? will people break the cannibalism taboo? Breitbart et al misunderstood, but then again they're not known for subtle distinctions.

    More info provided here:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/swedish-scientist-cannibalism/
    Shut uppa your face - nobody's interested in reality anymore! :nuh_uh:
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,130
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    Negative.  Driving a car or bike hard is so exhilarating.  Have you never tracked a car? Nothing like that adrenaline for me. 

    Do you mean bicycle or motor bike? If bicycle, I'll agree with that, but in that case it's your own effort and strength and expanding your limits that's exhilarating. Just pushing the gas peddle on a vehicle is boring. 
    I don't know about that.  Cruising around yesterday in the countryside listening to pj on sirius was pretty damn fun.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    oftenreading said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.
    Negative.  Driving a car or bike hard is so exhilarating.  Have you never tracked a car? Nothing like that adrenaline for me. 

    Do you mean bicycle or motor bike? If bicycle, I'll agree with that, but in that case it's your own effort and strength and expanding your limits that's exhilarating. Just pushing the gas peddle on a vehicle is boring. 
    bicycles are fine, but I'm talking about super bikes.  In my youth, I used to amateur race in Florida.  It's not just turning a throttle.  In fact those races were some of the most physically and mentally exhausting endeavors of my life.  Second only to laying 600 sq feet of sod at my house which I'm currently taking a break from doing.  I'm too old for this shit.  

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