Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME

brianlux · October 2019

HughFreakingDillon said:

honestly, and I hope this doesn't come across as offensive, but I find the unemotional way she usually carries herself (save for the UN speech), to be quite beneficial to her cause. Whether that's her personality or her asperger's is irrelevant to me. she speaks almost in a very logical manner, kind of like Spock or Data (no, I don't watch Star Trek, but I know who they are). It really makes you think because you aren't drawn to criticize her "drama" because she is speaking from the mind, not from the heart. the interview I watched with Trevor Noah was incredibly logical and almost like listening to a scientist.

"in america, climate change is a belief; where I am from, it is fact".

"what did you notice about new york when you were approaching by boat?"
"the smell"

you can't get any more blunt about it than that.

That seems to be the case, at least with my somewhat limited exposure to people with Asperger's. The few I've known seem to be a bit guarded with their emotions and tend to get right to the point and say it like it is. I think Thunberg's tendency to do that is exactly what we need with this subject. No b.s., little or no emo (although that one nearly iconic speech in NY did reveal emotion), no pleading, just straight shooting and the facts.

PJ_Soul · October 2019

cincybearcat said:

Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that.

Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.

But you would only spend maybe $20 - $40 a month on making it go. The savings on gas are truly massive, and literally pay for the car within 10 years. I have no idea why people think it's not affordable to buy an e-car (it doesn't have to be a Tesla) when you no longer have to buy gas when you get one.

PJ_Soul · October 2019

dignin said:

If anything Greta showed amazing restraint and poise. The opposite of overreacting.

I would expect her and her generation to be way more upset.

I agree with this. I am rather sickened by this whole "she is being overly dramatic" thing.... She isn't at all. She seems to be demonstrating a very appropriate yet controlled level of emotion given the topic and her mission. And she is clearly 100% sincere about it.

brianlux · October 2019

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that.

Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.

But you would only spend maybe $20 - $40 a month on making it go. The savings on gas are truly massive, and literally pay for the care within 10 years. I have no idea why people think it's not affordable to buy an e-car (it doesn't have to be a Tesla) when you no longer have to buy gas when you get one.

I found this to be true even with a hybrid. That was a deciding factor in our getting a Prius in 2008. I did the math and knowing the car would likely run for at least 300,000 miles with no major repairs other than replacing the big battery once, the savings on gas made the car more affordable than anything else out there at the time. I wish that in 2008 Teslas were where they are at today!

Meltdown99 · October 2019

A Tesla Model 3 starts at 55 grand Canadian. Still not affordable for most people. It does not matter how much you save on gas if you cannot afford the payment...and finance companies also do not care how much you save on gas if you cannot afford to pay them back. Personally, I think if there was an electric car revolution happening the big autos would be all over this.

PJ_Soul · October 2019

Like I said, you don't have to buy a Tesla.

Also, the auto companies won't be the ones to really grow the market. The government will be. The only thing really restricting the market right now is the concern of potential buyers about access to charging stations. If the government pushes to have them all over the place, with room for everyone who wants to buy an e-car, so that people can go basically anywhere they want without worrying about finding an available charging station, e-cars would sell like hot cakes. The car manufacturers could of course contribute to such an initiative too. One thing that WON'T grow the market is just pushing the cars out on the market without an already established infrastructure to support them. The manufacturers know that.

brianlux · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

A Tesla Model 3 starts at 55 grand Canadian. Still not affordable for most people. It does not matter how much you save on gas if you cannot afford the payment...and finance companies also do not care how much you save on gas if you cannot afford to pay them back. Personally, I think if there was an electric car revolution happening the big autos would be all over this.

I wouldn't call it a revolution, more like a slow to moderate and consistently gradual change. I see more electric cars and charging stations all the time. Charging stations have been added to the waiting area at the Sacramento International Airport (SFM), our local food co-op, one near town at Mosquito Road and one of our largest grocery stores- and those are just the ones I happened to notice. It's happening.

And remember, hybrids were considered very expensive when they came out. And then they came down to the point where we- used book dealers- were able to afford one. Anybody with average wages and knows how to budget well can afford a hybrid and soon, electric cars as well. Good budgeting is the key. I hear people all the time say, I can't afford this, I can't afford that. And these are people who make more money than we do.

Meltdown99 · October 2019

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

Spiritual_Chaos · October 2019

Only a fool takes pride in driving a car.

Spiritual_Chaos · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

If not, we would have even more fuckups around not caring at all about what they do do the planet and just keep buying the shittier option. And whatever else that is wrecking the planet.

By the way, how turned on do you get when you buy plastic bags or straws? STICKING IT TO THE MAN!

benjs · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

mcgruff10 · October 2019

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

cincybearcat · October 2019

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

Part of the issue with cost is actually in the financing. I can always get 0-1.9% financing from the car mfgrs I’ve bought. Tesla does not offer that.

Nice cars and I would want one, but you make it all wheel drive, add in the color cost, add in the self-driving (and why would you buy a Tesla without it???)...it’s not cheap.

But you would only spend maybe $20 - $40 a month on making it go. The savings on gas are truly massive, and literally pay for the car within 10 years. I have no idea why people think it's not affordable to buy an e-car (it doesn't have to be a Tesla) when you no longer have to buy gas when you get one.

I’ve done the math. I keep doing it. I’ll be buying another car within the next 2 years likely. We will see how it pans out but as of today the financial aspect isn’t the driving force I hoped it would be.

Meltdown99 · October 2019

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Dude. I really could give a flying fuck what some random dude who I’ve never met cares. Read some of your own post. Talk about arrogant.

and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”

hey...but what do I know about money...

benjs · October 2019

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

I'm not sure of the rules, you'd have to ask meltdown99. He seems to feel if you can afford to have the latest, you're a fool for doing so.

Meltdown99 · October 2019

Does Tesla and these electric car manufacturers even pay attention to consumer trends. People are buying SUV’s and Trucks. I know Tesla has an SUV (hate to imagine the Tesla price on an SUV).

Meltdown99 · October 2019

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.

mcgruff10 · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.

Me? Hell no. Lol

benjs · October 2019

Meltdown99 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Dude. I really could give a flying fuck what some random dude who I’ve never met cares. Read some of your own post. Talk about arrogant.

and yes “a fool and is money is soon departed”

hey...but what do I know about money...

I don't believe I've ever called anyone (let alone all new car owners) a fool on here. If I has, it hasn't been based on nonsense blanket statements, it's been in direct response to foolish statements. I've also been called out on my own, noted it, apologized when I should have, and hopefully learned from it.

On my bolded statement, you seem to have forgotten that people make varying degrees of money, and have different levels of savings/budgets/expenses/priorities than yourself.

Finally, we're predominantly random people we've each never met. If that's the bar you set for what you care about, or whose opinions you'll reject when you disagree with them, it makes sense that you show such little respect.

Meltdown99 · October 2019

mcgruff10 said:

Meltdown99 said:

mcgruff10 said:

benjs said:

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla might adjust prices somewhat. But they will never be affordable to the masses. New internal combustion cars are becoming unaffordable. But where the ICE is a winner is the used market. Only a fool buys a new vehicle. But used and let the fool who bought new take the depreciation hit. The electric car industry relies on government subsidies far to much. The product should sell itself...

You’re so damn arrogant. It’s only because of the ‘fools’ (ie everyone who buys a new vehicle) that you have used cars to buy, and every industry has customers who want the latest. Typically they’re called early adopters, but if you prefer fools that’s fine (but wrong).

Am I considered a fool if I leased a new car?

Some of you are easily offended on here...lol.

Me? Hell no. Lol

That’s good to know. From purely financial stand point buying a new car is foolish. I’ve never leased. I buy used and let the people who have to the latest take the hit, I don’t to spend 40 grand to have the latest trend. I am also a Jeep loyalist..no way I can afford new. Then I drive them until it’s worth less than 500. Usually 8-12 years and I usually buy 4 year Old low click SUV’s.

Swedish climate activist Greta Thunberg on cover of TIME

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