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  • rhanishane
    rhanishane NSW Australia Posts: 505
    brianlux said:
    rhanishane said:
    pretty sure Aus will be burnt to the ground by the end of summer. Already crazy fires started at the end of winter. Major drought and the whole country is one big tinder box! We just had 3 major fires ... one with a perimeter of 300km and are still active but so far contained. The winds and dust storms have been excessive and it is still snowing in parts. This summer is going to be a killer 😦 I hope it rains for all who need it here and over there. 
    I hope the situation there improves, rhanishane .  So much fire and heat in various places.  It feels like World on Fire.

    This is a nerve wracking time of year hear in the Sierra Foothills.  After seeing what happened in Paradise, we realize we are in a potentially similar position.  Several roads in our area (including ours) are narrow, eroding and overhung with trees, some that are dead and could fall and block access.  It's like living in a potential war zone.  I'm hoping we can move further north or closer to the coast, but so is everyone else.  This is just the beginning of what will prove to be many global migrations.
    doesn't matter where you live here. coastal is just as deadly. They burn just as hot and fast all the way to the beach as one fire just this week did just that! 9 residential homes lost in Peregian beach on the sunshine coast in QLD. Deliberately lit by 2 teenagers who have now been arrested. Eucalyptus trees, dry soil and huge fuel load coupled with high winds don't mix even in winter.
  • rhanishane
    rhanishane NSW Australia Posts: 505
    DC-10 bomber has been working overtime already and its only early spring
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    rhanishane said:
    brianlux said:
    rhanishane said:
    pretty sure Aus will be burnt to the ground by the end of summer. Already crazy fires started at the end of winter. Major drought and the whole country is one big tinder box! We just had 3 major fires ... one with a perimeter of 300km and are still active but so far contained. The winds and dust storms have been excessive and it is still snowing in parts. This summer is going to be a killer 😦 I hope it rains for all who need it here and over there. 
    I hope the situation there improves, rhanishane .  So much fire and heat in various places.  It feels like World on Fire.

    This is a nerve wracking time of year hear in the Sierra Foothills.  After seeing what happened in Paradise, we realize we are in a potentially similar position.  Several roads in our area (including ours) are narrow, eroding and overhung with trees, some that are dead and could fall and block access.  It's like living in a potential war zone.  I'm hoping we can move further north or closer to the coast, but so is everyone else.  This is just the beginning of what will prove to be many global migrations.
    doesn't matter where you live here. coastal is just as deadly. They burn just as hot and fast all the way to the beach as one fire just this week did just that! 9 residential homes lost in Peregian beach on the sunshine coast in QLD. Deliberately lit by 2 teenagers who have now been arrested. Eucalyptus trees, dry soil and huge fuel load coupled with high winds don't mix even in winter.
    That's a bummer!  No place to run, no place to hide?  I hear parts of Queensland gets a lot of rain.  Worth pursuing? 

    Coastal California can also be very dangerous in terms of fire.  From Big Sur south all the way to the border, fires are very common.  The northern most part of coastal California and on up are much wetter.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rhanishane
    rhanishane NSW Australia Posts: 505
    The northern tip is close to the equator so it gets monsoonal rains. The flooding did reach lake eyre in the centre for the first time in many years a couple of months ago but the major arterial rivers in the east were sucked up by irrigators who are majority cotton growers from china and America. So much corrupt bullshit going on in our government with stolen water.. buying and selling going on its ridiculous. Then to top it off with the drought and not much rain forecast for the next six months. Entire towns have run out of water and all our major dams are low or empty. Fighting fires is becoming a concern with lack of water and the DC10 bomber is dropping retardant to slow the fires or protect homes. I watched footage today of a new fire and the helicopter was filling its bucket in backyard swimming pools because there was no closer water source.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    rhanishane said:
    The northern tip is close to the equator so it gets monsoonal rains. The flooding did reach lake eyre in the centre for the first time in many years a couple of months ago but the major arterial rivers in the east were sucked up by irrigators who are majority cotton growers from china and America. So much corrupt bullshit going on in our government with stolen water.. buying and selling going on its ridiculous. Then to top it off with the drought and not much rain forecast for the next six months. Entire towns have run out of water and all our major dams are low or empty. Fighting fires is becoming a concern with lack of water and the DC10 bomber is dropping retardant to slow the fires or protect homes. I watched footage today of a new fire and the helicopter was filling its bucket in backyard swimming pools because there was no closer water source.
    Swimming pools in places where drought is common.  Now there's irony for you.  Kind of like gold courses in Nevada and Arizona here in the U.S.  Human are a baffling creature.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rhanishane
    rhanishane NSW Australia Posts: 505
    brianlux said:
    rhanishane said:
    The northern tip is close to the equator so it gets monsoonal rains. The flooding did reach lake eyre in the centre for the first time in many years a couple of months ago but the major arterial rivers in the east were sucked up by irrigators who are majority cotton growers from china and America. So much corrupt bullshit going on in our government with stolen water.. buying and selling going on its ridiculous. Then to top it off with the drought and not much rain forecast for the next six months. Entire towns have run out of water and all our major dams are low or empty. Fighting fires is becoming a concern with lack of water and the DC10 bomber is dropping retardant to slow the fires or protect homes. I watched footage today of a new fire and the helicopter was filling its bucket in backyard swimming pools because there was no closer water source.
    Swimming pools in places where drought is common.  Now there's irony for you.  Kind of like gold courses in Nevada and Arizona here in the U.S.  Human are a baffling creature.
    we are so low on water its at critical stage. some major regional towns have only till November before its gone completely 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rhanishane
    rhanishane NSW Australia Posts: 505
    That's not wind we've been getting horrendous dust storms with 100km winds. It's not even summer and look at the devastation here already. My uncle single handedly saved his home last night from these fires. We will have no bushland or water left soon its ridiculous. The fires are seriously out of control here
    https://youtu.be/AfRGtlmk5og
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    brianlux said:
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Too many people living in a place they shouldn't.  Getting water from elsewhere...building on cliffs.  But it's the power company's fault.... 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Too many people living in a place they shouldn't.  Getting water from elsewhere...building on cliffs.  But it's the power company's fault.... 
    We're back on line after almost three days of no power.

    Yes, too many people have moved to California- way too many.  But yes, the devastating fires here in California last year and this massive power shut down are, more than anything, PG&E's fault.  It is well known out here that the fires that destroyed a whole neighborhood in Santa Rosa and almost completely destroyed the town of Paradise were caused by faulty, very old and out-dated PG&E equipment.  That power company has been cutting corners for decades in order to appease it's share-holders.  This is a classic case of greed leading to disaster and, this year, much inconvenience.  Had the power company kept the equipment and infrastructure well repaired and maintained, that fire and this massive shut-down would not have occurred.  Many of us are aware of this, and many of us are pissed.  We, and many other businesses, lost a lot of business unnecessarily these last three days. Massive amounts of food from homes and grocery store without generators have been thrown away. 

    And yet I just read an article from this late June talking about how PG&E corporate heads are going to be given $11 million in "performance bonuses" this year.  I call bullshit!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,941
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Too many people living in a place they shouldn't.  Getting water from elsewhere...building on cliffs.  But it's the power company's fault.... 
    We're back on line after almost three days of no power.

    Yes, too many people have moved to California- way too many.  But yes, the devastating fires here in California last year and this massive power shut down are, more than anything, PG&E's fault.  It is well known out here that the fires that destroyed a whole neighborhood in Santa Rosa and almost completely destroyed the town of Paradise were caused by faulty, very old and out-dated PG&E equipment.  That power company has been cutting corners for decades in order to appease it's share-holders.  This is a classic case of greed leading to disaster and, this year, much inconvenience.  Had the power company kept the equipment and infrastructure well repaired and maintained, that fire and this massive shut-down would not have occurred.  Many of us are aware of this, and many of us are pissed.  We, and many other businesses, lost a lot of business unnecessarily these last three days. Massive amounts of food from homes and grocery store without generators have been thrown away. 

    And yet I just read an article from this late June talking about how PG&E corporate heads are going to be given $11 million in "performance bonuses" this year.  I call bullshit!


    We dont want to pay for new infrastructure in America even if we could get it the environmentalists will block it.

    I am in the energy biz. We have a similar problem in NY. We are in need of a new nat gas pipeline into the NY area. The region has been growing and the capacity for delivery is maxed out and existing pipelines are old. We will not know when there's a problem until its 5 degrees out and entire segments of the system cascade shut due to lack of pressure.

    The problem is compounded by an interventionist liberal governor and environmentalists who are both blocking a new pipeline.

    Also to make matters worse the governor is ordering the utility to take on prior customers who turned off their service for construction and  requested expansion of existing service. 

    There is also a problem with an older existing pipeline into the region which may need to restrict winter deliveries. Natural gas needs to be delivered into the system as needed. There is very little storage in the area due to the nature of gas.

    Given all these factors a very severe problem could emerge in  freezing cold weather. Will the governor be held accountable? Will the environmentalists? Will the media? No. 

    We are bred to blame the utilities, but consider the greed of environmentalists and the governor.  I want a clean planet and renewable energy. But a wide scale alternative to nat gas just does not exist currently or within the upcoming decade. And nat gas is the cleanest form of scalable heat available.

    The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all. We should be very careful when we choose to override what experts say is needed or safest.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    edited October 2019
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Too many people living in a place they shouldn't.  Getting water from elsewhere...building on cliffs.  But it's the power company's fault.... 
    We're back on line after almost three days of no power.

    Yes, too many people have moved to California- way too many.  But yes, the devastating fires here in California last year and this massive power shut down are, more than anything, PG&E's fault.  It is well known out here that the fires that destroyed a whole neighborhood in Santa Rosa and almost completely destroyed the town of Paradise were caused by faulty, very old and out-dated PG&E equipment.  That power company has been cutting corners for decades in order to appease it's share-holders.  This is a classic case of greed leading to disaster and, this year, much inconvenience.  Had the power company kept the equipment and infrastructure well repaired and maintained, that fire and this massive shut-down would not have occurred.  Many of us are aware of this, and many of us are pissed.  We, and many other businesses, lost a lot of business unnecessarily these last three days. Massive amounts of food from homes and grocery store without generators have been thrown away. 

    And yet I just read an article from this late June talking about how PG&E corporate heads are going to be given $11 million in "performance bonuses" this year.  I call bullshit!


    We dont want to pay for new infrastructure in America even if we could get it the environmentalists will block it.

    I am in the energy biz. We have a similar problem in NY. We are in need of a new nat gas pipeline into the NY area. The region has been growing and the capacity for delivery is maxed out and existing pipelines are old. We will not know when there's a problem until its 5 degrees out and entire segments of the system cascade shut due to lack of pressure.

    The problem is compounded by an interventionist liberal governor and environmentalists who are both blocking a new pipeline.

    Also to make matters worse the governor is ordering the utility to take on prior customers who turned off their service for construction and  requested expansion of existing service. 

    There is also a problem with an older existing pipeline into the region which may need to restrict winter deliveries. Natural gas needs to be delivered into the system as needed. There is very little storage in the area due to the nature of gas.

    Given all these factors a very severe problem could emerge in  freezing cold weather. Will the governor be held accountable? Will the environmentalists? Will the media? No. 

    We are bred to blame the utilities, but consider the greed of environmentalists and the governor.  I want a clean planet and renewable energy. But a wide scale alternative to nat gas just does not exist currently or within the upcoming decade. And nat gas is the cleanest form of scalable heat available.

    The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all. We should be very careful when we choose to override what experts say is needed or safest.

    Our liberal governor (for whom I do have issues on other subjects) was very angered at our energy company for not maintaining its power grid infrastructures.  Environmentalists are not in favor of faulty equipment that leads to massive deadly fires.

    Yes, environmentalists are often opposed to oil pipelines but that is a different subject. 

    "The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all."  Please stop making ridiculous and unfounded comments like that here.   You're embarrassing yourself. 

    Post edited by brianlux on
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,941
    edited October 2019
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Too many people living in a place they shouldn't.  Getting water from elsewhere...building on cliffs.  But it's the power company's fault.... 
    We're back on line after almost three days of no power.

    Yes, too many people have moved to California- way too many.  But yes, the devastating fires here in California last year and this massive power shut down are, more than anything, PG&E's fault.  It is well known out here that the fires that destroyed a whole neighborhood in Santa Rosa and almost completely destroyed the town of Paradise were caused by faulty, very old and out-dated PG&E equipment.  That power company has been cutting corners for decades in order to appease it's share-holders.  This is a classic case of greed leading to disaster and, this year, much inconvenience.  Had the power company kept the equipment and infrastructure well repaired and maintained, that fire and this massive shut-down would not have occurred.  Many of us are aware of this, and many of us are pissed.  We, and many other businesses, lost a lot of business unnecessarily these last three days. Massive amounts of food from homes and grocery store without generators have been thrown away. 

    And yet I just read an article from this late June talking about how PG&E corporate heads are going to be given $11 million in "performance bonuses" this year.  I call bullshit!


    We dont want to pay for new infrastructure in America even if we could get it the environmentalists will block it.

    I am in the energy biz. We have a similar problem in NY. We are in need of a new nat gas pipeline into the NY area. The region has been growing and the capacity for delivery is maxed out and existing pipelines are old. We will not know when there's a problem until its 5 degrees out and entire segments of the system cascade shut due to lack of pressure.

    The problem is compounded by an interventionist liberal governor and environmentalists who are both blocking a new pipeline.

    Also to make matters worse the governor is ordering the utility to take on prior customers who turned off their service for construction and  requested expansion of existing service. 

    There is also a problem with an older existing pipeline into the region which may need to restrict winter deliveries. Natural gas needs to be delivered into the system as needed. There is very little storage in the area due to the nature of gas.

    Given all these factors a very severe problem could emerge in  freezing cold weather. Will the governor be held accountable? Will the environmentalists? Will the media? No. 

    We are bred to blame the utilities, but consider the greed of environmentalists and the governor.  I want a clean planet and renewable energy. But a wide scale alternative to nat gas just does not exist currently or within the upcoming decade. And nat gas is the cleanest form of scalable heat available.

    The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all. We should be very careful when we choose to override what experts say is needed or safest.
    You might think about becoming a writer for the Onion.

    Our liberal governor (for whom I do have issues on other subjects) was very angered at our energy company for not maintaining its power grid infrastructures.  Environmentalists are not in favor of faulty equipment that leads to massive deadly fires.

    Yes, environmentalists are often opposed to oil pipelines but that is a different subject. 

    "The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all."  Please stop making ridiculous and unfounded comments like that here.   You're embarrassing yourself. 


    Didnt we just get the democratic candidate topic shutdown bc of personal attacks ;)

    Our problem in NY is real. Yes PGE is not here but in this case we are begging the state to allow the new infrastructure. 

    From my understanding CA works similar to NY. If new infrastructure is approved by regulators the utility gets to pass the cost directly to ratepayers and it should not affect the bottom line for shareholders.  Why would PGE not do this if they can pass on the cost? That's the "absurd" link here. For the Times great reporting on this issue that's one question I can not find an answer for.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    brianlux said:
    Our power company, PG&E, has informed us that this evening our power will be shut off for up to 5 days because of a "wind event".  I checked our two most reliable weather sources- NOAA and Weather Underground- and both show winds peaking at 9 to 10 miles per hour.  They call that a wind event?  I call it PG&E covering their asses at our expense because they can't maintain their equipment properly.  Jesus effin' C.  Oh well, it was me after all, telling Meltdown "me and my buddies are going back to pre-agricultural times."  I guess I wasn't joking. 

    And why am I so pissed?  Because I may have to shut down my business for up to five days because it going to be so fucking windy... at 9 to 10 MPG.  Gahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
    Too many people living in a place they shouldn't.  Getting water from elsewhere...building on cliffs.  But it's the power company's fault.... 
    We're back on line after almost three days of no power.

    Yes, too many people have moved to California- way too many.  But yes, the devastating fires here in California last year and this massive power shut down are, more than anything, PG&E's fault.  It is well known out here that the fires that destroyed a whole neighborhood in Santa Rosa and almost completely destroyed the town of Paradise were caused by faulty, very old and out-dated PG&E equipment.  That power company has been cutting corners for decades in order to appease it's share-holders.  This is a classic case of greed leading to disaster and, this year, much inconvenience.  Had the power company kept the equipment and infrastructure well repaired and maintained, that fire and this massive shut-down would not have occurred.  Many of us are aware of this, and many of us are pissed.  We, and many other businesses, lost a lot of business unnecessarily these last three days. Massive amounts of food from homes and grocery store without generators have been thrown away. 

    And yet I just read an article from this late June talking about how PG&E corporate heads are going to be given $11 million in "performance bonuses" this year.  I call bullshit!


    We dont want to pay for new infrastructure in America even if we could get it the environmentalists will block it.

    I am in the energy biz. We have a similar problem in NY. We are in need of a new nat gas pipeline into the NY area. The region has been growing and the capacity for delivery is maxed out and existing pipelines are old. We will not know when there's a problem until its 5 degrees out and entire segments of the system cascade shut due to lack of pressure.

    The problem is compounded by an interventionist liberal governor and environmentalists who are both blocking a new pipeline.

    Also to make matters worse the governor is ordering the utility to take on prior customers who turned off their service for construction and  requested expansion of existing service. 

    There is also a problem with an older existing pipeline into the region which may need to restrict winter deliveries. Natural gas needs to be delivered into the system as needed. There is very little storage in the area due to the nature of gas.

    Given all these factors a very severe problem could emerge in  freezing cold weather. Will the governor be held accountable? Will the environmentalists? Will the media? No. 

    We are bred to blame the utilities, but consider the greed of environmentalists and the governor.  I want a clean planet and renewable energy. But a wide scale alternative to nat gas just does not exist currently or within the upcoming decade. And nat gas is the cleanest form of scalable heat available.

    The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all. We should be very careful when we choose to override what experts say is needed or safest.
    You might think about becoming a writer for the Onion.

    Our liberal governor (for whom I do have issues on other subjects) was very angered at our energy company for not maintaining its power grid infrastructures.  Environmentalists are not in favor of faulty equipment that leads to massive deadly fires.

    Yes, environmentalists are often opposed to oil pipelines but that is a different subject. 

    "The environmentalists are putting the public at risk for no reason at all."  Please stop making ridiculous and unfounded comments like that here.   You're embarrassing yourself. 


    Didnt we just get the democratic candidate topic shutdown bc of personal attacks ;)

    Our problem in NY is real. Yes PGE is not here but in this case we are begging the state to allow the new infrastructure. 

    From my understanding CA works similar to NY. If new infrastructure is approved by regulators the utility gets to pass the cost directly to ratepayers and it should not affect the bottom line for shareholders.  Why would PGE not do this if they can pass on the cost? That's the "absurd" link here. For the Times great reporting on this issue that's one question I can not find an answer for.
    Fair enough (although I wouldn't mind getting a job with the onion myself!  :wink: )

    I won't argue that some infrastructure issues are not screwed up.  Many are!  But a blanket statement claiming environmentalists are putting the public at risk?  That absurd. 

    PG&E has already raised their rates and yet the repairs were still not made.  They cut corners for the benefit of profit.  They made mistakes due to incompetency.  The wildfires that destroyed almost all of Paradise and a whole neighborhood in Santa Rosa were caused by PG&E negligence, not by environmentalists.   That's well documented.  Please stop making absurdly false statements about environmentalists and liberals causing these disasters. 

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Lerxst1992
    Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,941
    Hey @brianlux my comment about blaming environmentalists and the governor was about the gas issue here in NY

    I was correlating our situation here to CA. In NY (I believe same is true for CA) individual line item expenses on an invoice by invoice level are subject to regulatory approval or denial

    I was asking if the infrastructure was specifically approved for PGE and the costs are passed onto ratepayers, why would PGE not spend ratepayer money? It seems like a win win to me so something is not passing the smell test for me based on my industry experience. And yes that's a nat gas joke so I am trying our for the onion  

    All I can say is that from industry experience the media usually gets the story wrong and in our case Cuomo is misrepresenting facts (on the front page today) to make himself look good with voters. I can provide specific examples if you'd like. 
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Hey @brianlux my comment about blaming environmentalists and the governor was about the gas issue here in NY

    I was correlating our situation here to CA. In NY (I believe same is true for CA) individual line item expenses on an invoice by invoice level are subject to regulatory approval or denial

    I was asking if the infrastructure was specifically approved for PGE and the costs are passed onto ratepayers, why would PGE not spend ratepayer money? It seems like a win win to me so something is not passing the smell test for me based on my industry experience. And yes that's a nat gas joke so I am trying our for the onion  

    All I can say is that from industry experience the media usually gets the story wrong and in our case Cuomo is misrepresenting facts (on the front page today) to make himself look good with voters. I can provide specific examples if you'd like. 
    Thanks for clarifying.

    PG&E rates are already high here in California.  If they raise rates even further to pass along repair cost to customers while continuing to appease stock holders, they will have a riot on their hands.  PG&E and its stock holders are more concerned with profit than they are with providing clean, safe energy.  That's what happens when you put something as basic as power in the hands of big business.  Of course putting power in the hands of inefficient government is also a poor choice, so that leaves us screwed either way.  I think the answer is going to be found in concepts like Democratic Socialism, not capitalism or inept government.

    And isn't it a bit ridiculous that in the midst of all this, PG&E is giving their corporate heads $11 million in "performance-based" bonuses?  I guess they mean to say they are rewarding these executives for looking out for their stock holders while fucking up on infrastructure so badly that it led to many deaths and loss of property.  This is what you get in a capitalist society. 


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    100 000 evacuated.  California is an odd state.   People are destroying the state and yet California and so many cities are sanctuary cities.  And. It will get no better.  Pretty sad.  From the pictures I saw of California in 50s, 60s and 70s and from what I saw when I first visited early 2000s was disappointing to say the least.  The last I visited was Sequoia, it was so hazing it looked liked Sequoia was hosting a vape party.  Sad, sad and sad.  The world is fucked because of out of control growth...
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:
    100 000 evacuated.  California is an odd state.   People are destroying the state and yet California and so many cities are sanctuary cities.  And. It will get no better.  Pretty sad.  From the pictures I saw of California in 50s, 60s and 70s and from what I saw when I first visited early 2000s was disappointing to say the least.  The last I visited was Sequoia, it was so hazing it looked liked Sequoia was hosting a vape party.  Sad, sad and sad.  The world is fucked because of out of control growth...
    Having been born in Berkeley, California in 1951 and having lived here most of my life, I can easily confirm that you are correct- it is a very disappointing place, to say the least.  Poet Robinson Jeffers felt the same way in the early 1930's when is beloved Carmel/Monterey/Pacific Grove area were beginning to become overrun.  Imagine if he could see it today! 

    Yep, out of control reproduction, out of control growth. 
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    100 000 evacuated.  California is an odd state.   People are destroying the state and yet California and so many cities are sanctuary cities.  And. It will get no better.  Pretty sad.  From the pictures I saw of California in 50s, 60s and 70s and from what I saw when I first visited early 2000s was disappointing to say the least.  The last I visited was Sequoia, it was so hazing it looked liked Sequoia was hosting a vape party.  Sad, sad and sad.  The world is fucked because of out of control growth...
    Having been born in Berkeley, California in 1951 and having lived here most of my life, I can easily confirm that you are correct- it is a very disappointing place, to say the least.  Poet Robinson Jeffers felt the same way in the early 1930's when is beloved Carmel/Monterey/Pacific Grove area were beginning to become overrun.  Imagine if he could see it today! 

    Yep, out of control reproduction, out of control growth. 
    Water is already a big issue in California.  In 10 years?  California better get more desalinization plants up and running.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    100 000 evacuated.  California is an odd state.   People are destroying the state and yet California and so many cities are sanctuary cities.  And. It will get no better.  Pretty sad.  From the pictures I saw of California in 50s, 60s and 70s and from what I saw when I first visited early 2000s was disappointing to say the least.  The last I visited was Sequoia, it was so hazing it looked liked Sequoia was hosting a vape party.  Sad, sad and sad.  The world is fucked because of out of control growth...
    Having been born in Berkeley, California in 1951 and having lived here most of my life, I can easily confirm that you are correct- it is a very disappointing place, to say the least.  Poet Robinson Jeffers felt the same way in the early 1930's when is beloved Carmel/Monterey/Pacific Grove area were beginning to become overrun.  Imagine if he could see it today! 

    Yep, out of control reproduction, out of control growth. 
    Water is already a big issue in California.  In 10 years?  California better get more desalinization plants up and running.
    Yes, Southern California in particular.  Of course, this state is so big it varies.  The northwest corner of the state is very rainy- Humboldt County gets about 55 inches/ 140 cm per year.  My current home town of Placerville gets about 39 in./ 99 cm.  Los Angeles gets 16 in./ 41 cm. and Furnace Creek in Death Valley get about 5 in./ 12 cm. 

    But with the growing population, you're right, many places may face water shortages.  And droughts will always come around again.  Over the last 1000 years there have been a number of droughts that lasted 10 to 20 years.  In geologic time, one drought lasted 50 years, and another 180 years.  Things could get really dicey in a relatively short period of time around here!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

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