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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    cincybearcat said:
    I never said what he said was right.  In fact I said the opposite.  

    But I also see people, like yourself, say "all we should be doing no is helping the people"...seems like the same argument used against talking about gun control after an incident.  There are a multitude of reasons/causes etc.  But I'd also like to know what people are doing to try and avoid this in the future.  What can be done, what do they need, or maybe where should we stop building communities.
    In life, after things go horribly awry, 90% of the time, you'd want to dissect how or why shit went down. The other 10% of the time, Donald Trump is in office.

    His assessments of what happened and how we got here (if he acknowledges that 'here' is even a problem, not a Chinese hoax) are false.


    His assessments of what ought to be done differently are fucking stupid (raking the forest), and designed to protect his interests (such as planting coal lobbyists as the head of the EPA, instead of trees). 


    Conceptually, cincy, I agree with you, however when the person in charge's lead-up to the problem is to pretend it doesn't exist so he can profit, and his reaction to the problem is to blame completely unrelated and logically disprovable factors, you can't be too surprised when people tell Donald to fuck right off.

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    benjs said:
    cincybearcat said:
    I never said what he said was right.  In fact I said the opposite.  

    But I also see people, like yourself, say "all we should be doing no is helping the people"...seems like the same argument used against talking about gun control after an incident.  There are a multitude of reasons/causes etc.  But I'd also like to know what people are doing to try and avoid this in the future.  What can be done, what do they need, or maybe where should we stop building communities.
    In life, after things go horribly awry, 90% of the time, you'd want to dissect how or why shit went down. The other 10% of the time, Donald Trump is in office.

    His assessments of what happened and how we got here (if he acknowledges that 'here' is even a problem, not a Chinese hoax) are false.


    His assessments of what ought to be done differently are fucking stupid (raking the forest), and designed to protect his interests (such as planting coal lobbyists as the head of the EPA, instead of trees). 


    Conceptually, cincy, I agree with you, however when the person in charge's lead-up to the problem is to pretend it doesn't exist so he can profit, and his reaction to the problem is to blame completely unrelated and logically disprovable factors, you can't be too surprised when people tell Donald to fuck right off.

    Ben, your post is superbly written and says exactly why this administration is moving us in the wrong direction.  We so badly need more intelligent people in office.  Trump is an overgrown, clueless teenager tweeting away based on uninformed impulses.  He is an embarrassment.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    The statistics just keep getting worse-- 76 known dead, 1,276 missing or unaccounted for-- but the good news is we are very likely to get a couple of days of rain later this week.  Hopefully just steady rain to put out fires and clear the air.


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Words of wisdumb from a genius who knows all there is to know about forests:

    “We’ve gotta take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important. You look at other countries where they do it differently and it’s a whole different story. I was with the president of Finland and he said, ‘We’re a forest nation.’ He called it a forest nation. And they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things. And they don’t have any problem. And when it is, it’s a very small problem."

    "I was watching the firemen the other day, and they were raking areas. They were raking areas where the fire was right over there. They’re raking trees, little trees like this that are not trees, little bushes, that you could see are totally dry. Weeds. And they’re raking them, they’re on fire. That should have been all raked out.”


    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,684
    brianlux said:
    Words of wisdumb from a genius who knows all there is to know about forests:

    “We’ve gotta take care of the floors, you know, the floors of the forest. It’s very important. You look at other countries where they do it differently and it’s a whole different story. I was with the president of Finland and he said, ‘We’re a forest nation.’ He called it a forest nation. And they spend a lot of time on raking and cleaning and doing things. And they don’t have any problem. And when it is, it’s a very small problem."

    "I was watching the firemen the other day, and they were raking areas. They were raking areas where the fire was right over there. They’re raking trees, little trees like this that are not trees, little bushes, that you could see are totally dry. Weeds. And they’re raking them, they’re on fire. That should have been all raked out.”


    I’d just walk away if I was in front of him !
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  • Asterisk on the Street
    Asterisk on the Street Posts: 849
    Bentleyspop said:
    Idiot


    There you have it folks, all we need is a good guy with a rake. Problem solved. /sarcasm
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    He's not normal
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,840
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    He's not normal
    He’s the exact opposite of a good leader. A leader is one that doesn’t assign blame only solves problems. And if there is blaming, they take the blame. And if there is credit, they give the credit to others. A good leader never has to say what they’ve done that is good, because people know.

    That’s why politics is not a great place for true leaders. Cause you have to toot your own horn to get elected. But this guy has taken it to a new level. Always starts with “it wasn’t me” and blaming others for EVERY issue that pops up. So infuriating 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    cincybearcat said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    He's not normal
    He’s the exact opposite of a good leader. A leader is one that doesn’t assign blame only solves problems. And if there is blaming, they take the blame. And if there is credit, they give the credit to others. A good leader never has to say what they’ve done that is good, because people know.

    That’s why politics is not a great place for true leaders. Cause you have to toot your own horn to get elected. But this guy has taken it to a new level. Always starts with “it wasn’t me” and blaming others for EVERY issue that pops up. So infuriating 
    Great definition of what a good leader should be, Cincy.  I would love to see that happen!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    cincybearcat said:
    Thoughts_Arrive said:
    He's not normal
    He’s the exact opposite of a good leader. A leader is one that doesn’t assign blame only solves problems. And if there is blaming, they take the blame. And if there is credit, they give the credit to others. A good leader never has to say what they’ve done that is good, because people know.

    That’s why politics is not a great place for true leaders. Cause you have to toot your own horn to get elected. But this guy has taken it to a new level. Always starts with “it wasn’t me” and blaming others for EVERY issue that pops up. So infuriating 
    exactly
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Asterisk on the Street said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Idiot


    There you have it folks, all we need is a good guy with a rake. Problem solved. /sarcasm
    Yes, because otherwise the bad guys with rakes will win. They’re the ones piling up the fuel in the forests. 
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  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165
    I've just told my fellow Aussies to get their rakes out as we approach summer and bushfire season.
    Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    So, California ... you do not need cash donations, you need us to send rakes...
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Thoughts_Arrive
    Thoughts_Arrive Melbourne, Australia Posts: 15,165

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Searchers in California wildfire step up efforts; 77 dead

    https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/searchers-in-california-wildfire-step-up-efforts-77-dead-1.4181999?cid=sm:trueanthem:ctvnews:post&utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5bf25f7700bd470001335f18&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3BeuOQKVBY0WWX4p_6wtRQchna-DwctUvdfDB5r_Vc2-VCJAoL5Ph8yH8
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Another heartbreaking story to come out. 

    Iconic Guitar Builder Loses His Home and Workshop to Flames in Paradise



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    -Roberto Benigni

  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Finland baffled by Trump’s comments about raking leaves to prevent forest fires

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4676548/finland-trump-raking-leaves-forest-fires/?utm_source=GlobalNational&utm_medium=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR2bin2_796cZLLQsvpQ-XgmpFMxBbnJ-09v2jk5ODIWKwad30M4qzOQQb4
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739


    See Trump is pitching in...
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Meltdown99 said:


    See Trump is pitching in...
    :lol:

    Make America Rake Again!

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Good luck Brian raking the forest floor out in California...lol
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