Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

Meltdown99 said:

They could have asked the rapper to stay in Sweden until the investigation is complete...just have him turn over his passport.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

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cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

I live in Sweden, and all my friends and all connections I have are here - so I would guess I would be let go if they do not see that I could impede the investigation or continue criminal activity. And that I come in and answer their questions and whatever they might need for their investigation.

I'm not really sure what "bail" means now... but if I would flee, impede the investigation or continue criminal activity I would be taken in and put into pre-trial custody and also charged for impeding the investigation, fleeing or continuing criminal activity I'm guessing...

So justice isn't blind, the way you're treated is about your friends and connections.  Hmm.  

Your skewing things now for whatever BS reason. Just stop it.

I live in Sweden - my life is here and I don't have any connection to any other country, I have nowhere to flee or any reason to flee in relations to the crime - so I would be put on the street. Because my flight risk would be considered low.

jeffbr said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

I live in Sweden, and all my friends and all connections I have are here - so I would guess I would be let go if they do not see that I could impede the investigation or continue criminal activity. And that I come in and answer their questions and whatever they might need for their investigation.

I'm not really sure what "bail" means now... but if I would flee, impede the investigation or continue criminal activity I would be taken in and put into pre-trial custody and also charged for impeding the investigation, fleeing or continuing criminal activity I'm guessing...

So justice isn't blind, the way you're treated is about your friends and connections.  Hmm.  

Your skewing things now for whatever BS reason. Just stop it.

I live in Sweden - my life is here and I don't have any connection to any other country, I have nowhere to flee or any reason to flee in relations to the crime - so I would be put on the street. Because my flight risk would be considered low.

Yeah, it's almost like I'm taking the worst possible interpretation and declaring it factual.  

Woah, I've never seen anyone do that here before.

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Now Kim Kardashian and Kanye West have taken a stand in the case by appealing to President Donald Trump to get ASAP Rocky released from the Swedish detention center, TMZ reports. TMZ also states that staff are on their way to Sweden - and according to Congressman Adriano Espaillat, Deputy Foreign Minister Carl Risch is on his way to Sweden.

HAHA. LETS GO! WW3.

TMZ is fake news.  Stop spreading! 

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Now Kim Kardashian and Kanye West have taken a stand in the case by appealing to President Donald Trump to get ASAP Rocky released from the Swedish detention center, TMZ reports. TMZ also states that staff are on their way to Sweden - and according to Congressman Adriano Espaillat, Deputy Foreign Minister Carl Risch is on his way to Sweden.

HAHA. LETS GO! WW3.

TMZ is fake news.  Stop spreading! 

TMZ actually is not fake news at all. They're as good as any legit major news source when it comes to checking their sources, etc. It is extremely rare for them to get something wrong, and when they do, they always retract/correct. The only difference is that they deal with celebrity news and inject humour into it.

He is being sarcastic. I called them fake news earlier for them reporting on things ASAP Rocky later said he had not said, and his then-laywer said was wrong.

Like only being fed an apple and having to drink "dirty water".

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Now Kim Kardashian and Kanye West have taken a stand in the case by appealing to President Donald Trump to get ASAP Rocky released from the Swedish detention center, TMZ reports. TMZ also states that staff are on their way to Sweden - and according to Congressman Adriano Espaillat, Deputy Foreign Minister Carl Risch is on his way to Sweden.

HAHA. LETS GO! WW3.

TMZ is fake news.  Stop spreading! 

TMZ actually is not fake news at all. They're as good as any legit major news source when it comes to checking their sources, etc. It is extremely rare for them to get something wrong, and when they do, they always retract/correct. The only difference is that they deal with celebrity news and inject humour into it.

He is being sarcastic. I called them fake news earlier for them reporting on things ASAP Rocky later said he had not said, and his then-laywer said was wrong.

Like only being fed an apple and having to drink "dirty water".

I see.... I would actually LOVE for this constant sarcasm to stop. It's making the board far less enjoyable.

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Now Kim Kardashian and Kanye West have taken a stand in the case by appealing to President Donald Trump to get ASAP Rocky released from the Swedish detention center, TMZ reports. TMZ also states that staff are on their way to Sweden - and according to Congressman Adriano Espaillat, Deputy Foreign Minister Carl Risch is on his way to Sweden.

HAHA. LETS GO! WW3.

TMZ is fake news.  Stop spreading! 

TMZ actually is not fake news at all. They're as good as any legit major news source when it comes to checking their sources, etc. It is extremely rare for them to get something wrong, and when they do, they always retract/correct. The only difference is that they deal with celebrity news and inject humour into it.

He is being sarcastic. I called them fake news earlier for them reporting on things ASAP Rocky later said he had not said, and his then-laywer said was wrong.

Like only being fed an apple and having to drink "dirty water".

I see.... I would actually LOVE for this constant sarcasm to stop. It's making the board far less enjoyable.

Well I can never promise that I won't be sarcastic, it's too fundamental.  But I and other were making a point today.  I hope it's understood.  

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Haha. Listened to a swedish lawyer blasting that Morning Joe-woman Mikas brother  who was an ambassador in Sweden for being stupid enough to think he could make our king or government intervene in our judicial system. Haha. 

"...it points to an unusually bad ability of judgment"