Where would you rather live the US or Sweden

mrussel1

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

cincybearcat said:
 for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. 

The victim is said to have been cut with something according to Nöjesbladet's sources -  a broken bottle.

- He has wound injuries and has had to be sewn, he went ambulance after the incident to hospital,

How often do you defend yourself with a broken bottle?

Meltdown99

Canada

I read that other rappers plan to boycott Sweden...hmmm.  Is that all it takes to get rap out of your country.  Just arrest a rapper on bogus charges.  I encourage Canada to follow suit.  By the way, Sc if you lock Drake up I will recommend you for the order of Canada.

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:
 for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. 

The victim is said to have been cut with something according to Nöjesbladet's sources -  a broken bottle.

- He has wound injuries and has had to be sewn, he went ambulance after the incident to hospital,

How often do you defend yourself with a broken bottle?

What else is there to defend yourself with in Sweden?  Hand grenades?

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:
 for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. 

The victim is said to have been cut with something according to Nöjesbladet's sources -  a broken bottle.

- He has wound injuries and has had to be sewn, he went ambulance after the incident to hospital,

How often do you defend yourself with a broken bottle?

What else is there to defend yourself with in Sweden?  Hand grenades?

Ted Cruz boogers.

mrussel1

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

PJPOWER said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:
 for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. 

The victim is said to have been cut with something according to Nöjesbladet's sources -  a broken bottle.

- He has wound injuries and has had to be sewn, he went ambulance after the incident to hospital,

How often do you defend yourself with a broken bottle?

What else is there to defend yourself with in Sweden?  Hand grenades?

Ted Cruz boogers.

We would be willing to export some if you are in need.

cincybearcat

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:
 for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. 

The victim is said to have been cut with something according to Nöjesbladet's sources -  a broken bottle.

- He has wound injuries and has had to be sewn, he went ambulance after the incident to hospital,

How often do you defend yourself with a broken bottle?

If someone attacks you, whenever you have a bottle to break.  Instigation matters...most places.  

So you are ok with how this is all going down?  

cincybearcat

U.S.A.

Is this true?

Sweden has been dogged by its reputation for racism against Black people as well as other ethnic minorities in the country. The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination released a report last year expressing concern for the rising levels of anti-Black racism in the Nordic country. That included “racist hate speech against Afro-Swedes, Jews, Muslims and Roma.” A subsequent report months later cited how rampant the use of the “n-word” in the country was.

PJPOWER

U.S.A.

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

It is just considered a 2 week paid vacation in Sweden.

mrussel1

U.S.A.

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

It is just considered a 2 week paid vacation in Sweden.

Mmmm...I like that joke.  

PJ_Soul

Canada

cincybearcat said:

Is this true?

Sweden has been dogged by its reputation for racism against Black people as well as other ethnic minorities in the country. The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination released a report last year expressing concern for the rising levels of anti-Black racism in the Nordic country. That included “racist hate speech against Afro-Swedes, Jews, Muslims and Roma.” A subsequent report months later cited how rampant the use of the “n-word” in the country was.

I have read some things about how Swedes blame immigrants for a huge rise in crime, and that there is a pretty serious anti-immigrant (especially anti-brown) sentiment there. It seems that if the crime increase really is thanks to immigrants as some Swedish studies have claimed, Swedes much prefer to go anti-(brown)-immigrant about it rather than trying to confront and fix the issues that possibly cause this to be the case. That said, I don't think there is a massive hate crime issue that results from this.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

I live in Sweden, and all my friends and all connections I have are here - so I would guess I would be let go if they do not see that I could impede the investigation or continue criminal activity. And that I come in and answer their questions and whatever they might need for their investigation.

I'm not really sure what "bail" means now... but if I would flee, impede the investigation or continue criminal activity I would be taken in and put into pre-trial custody and also charged for impeding the investigation, fleeing or continuing criminal activity I'm guessing...

mrussel1

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

I live in Sweden, and all my friends and all connections I have are here - so I would guess I would be let go if they do not see that I could impede the investigation or continue criminal activity. And that I come in and answer their questions and whatever they might need for their investigation.

I'm not really sure what "bail" means now... but if I would flee, impede the investigation or continue criminal activity I would be taken in and put into pre-trial custody and also charged for impeding the investigation, fleeing or continuing criminal activity I'm guessing...

So justice isn't blind, the way you're treated is about your friends and connections.  Hmm.  

The Juggler

U.S.A.

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

I live in Sweden, and all my friends and all connections I have are here - so I would guess I would be let go if they do not see that I could impede the investigation or continue criminal activity. And that I come in and answer their questions and whatever they might need for their investigation.

I'm not really sure what "bail" means now... but if I would flee, impede the investigation or continue criminal activity I would be taken in and put into pre-trial custody and also charged for impeding the investigation, fleeing or continuing criminal activity I'm guessing...

Oh my gosh. Sweden is so corrupt. 

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

cincybearcat said:

Is this true?

Sweden has been dogged by its reputation for racism against Black people as well as other ethnic minorities in the country. The UN Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination released a report last year expressing concern for the rising levels of anti-Black racism in the Nordic country. That included “racist hate speech against Afro-Swedes, Jews, Muslims and Roma.” A subsequent report months later cited how rampant the use of the “n-word” in the country was.

You are using "report" and then "news report" as "report" in a way that makes the N-word incidents at that pharmacy sound like it was coming from a UN report. What is the reason for doing that?

Yes. Racism exists in Sweden. Yes old people (as would be the main problem at a pharmacy I'm guessing) are more xenophobic than the younger generation. Not that you care perhaps, but should also be said that we do not have the same history with the "n-word" and treatment of black people as you folks (they were non-existent here). We even have had pastries called "n-word kisses (now "mint kisses")" and "n-word balls (now "chocolate balls")". Pippi Longstockings father lives on the other side of the world and is "King of the n-word".

So for old people over here the word is not forbidden like Voldemort. We can say the n-word when discussing it on television for example. And we can write it out in text when discussing it which I would get banned for if doing here. Not waving away the xenophobia that is obviously existing here. Just some context. 17% votes for "The Swedish Party" for example. Its not Trumps 50% but it is 17% too many.

Interesting though that the US do not even care about many of these UN treaties at all. You can't be reported as having problems when you don't agree to be reported:

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

cincybearcat said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:
 for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. 

The victim is said to have been cut with something according to Nöjesbladet's sources -  a broken bottle.

- He has wound injuries and has had to be sewn, he went ambulance after the incident to hospital,

How often do you defend yourself with a broken bottle?

If someone attacks you, whenever you have a bottle to break.  Instigation matters...most places.  

So you are ok with how this is all going down?  

I don't know enough about this specific case. So I don't know what you want me to be okey with or not?

But if you are an expert on law and have sources within the prosecution office - then please put fourth some information to shine more light on this investigation and all the players.

All I have to go on is that Leif GW Persson thinks it's a weird decision that he was taken into custody, and he usually knows what he's talking about.

Spiritual_Chaos

Canada

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mrussel1 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

cincybearcat said:

So in Sweden its ok to hold someone in solitary for 2 weeks for defending yourself? Sounds terrific. There has to be more with this situation. There has to be some more motivation than just because he was accused of assault. Especially since you cannot even locates the supposed “victim”. 

I feel like your are building one heck of a narrative from not really knowing much about the situation (Which we all have a lack of knowledge about).

He is - on probably grounds (the highest level of suspicion before you are charge) suspected of assault - ofc he can be hold in pre-trial detention if there is a reason for it and he reaches the threshold for it. And three levels of courts in Sweden seem to find it is. 

And regarding courts and all - everyone here should chill out. The nordic countries - we got this:



But obviously things could go faster and whatever. But I guess it being vaccination times maybe slows things down a bit. Or there is more to investigate in this matter than we or fakenews-TMZ know.

I"m confused.  Earlier you said there is no wild west, rich guy bail system.  Then you go on to say that he's being held because he's a flight risk. So is there a bail/bond system or not?  

I wrote this in a post responding to you yesterday:

We don't have a monetary bail system. How many countries even do have that wild-wild-west favor the rich system? And how would that have mattered here - where it was determined there was a risk of fleeing? 

In Sweden, pre-trial detention is ordered for suspects of offences carrying prison terms of over a year, as long as there is risk of flight, impeding investigation (for instance by destroying evidence) or continuing criminal activity. The detention is reviewed by a court every fortnight; a new remand hearing is required if no legal action has taken place within 14 days.

And there are three levels of suspicion, and it can go from stronger or weaker depending on the investigation. I would think - with there being video here that this person was on the highest level.

So let's say you, a Swede, were arrested in Stockholm during a bar fight.  Would you expect to be bailed, or stay for two weeks in prison?  And if bailed, would that be on your own recognizance or what would secure the bail if not money?

I live in Sweden, and all my friends and all connections I have are here - so I would guess I would be let go if they do not see that I could impede the investigation or continue criminal activity. And that I come in and answer their questions and whatever they might need for their investigation.

I'm not really sure what "bail" means now... but if I would flee, impede the investigation or continue criminal activity I would be taken in and put into pre-trial custody and also charged for impeding the investigation, fleeing or continuing criminal activity I'm guessing...

So justice isn't blind, the way you're treated is about your friends and connections.  Hmm.  

Your skewing things now for whatever BS reason. Just stop it.

I live in Sweden - my life is here and I don't have any connection to any other country, I have nowhere to flee or any reason to flee in relations to the crime - so I would be put on the street. Because my flight risk would be considered low.

Meltdown99

Canada

They could have asked the rapper to stay in Sweden until the investigation is complete...just have him turn over his passport.