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You are unclear about the meaning of illegal. You should read the statute creating the counsel and the number of lawsuits that tried to make that argument. They all lost. So the executive branch used a legislatively approved statute that was upheld by the judicial branch. You literally can't have anything more legal than this special counsel.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
It would be if you were trying to do your job and a smear campaign against you started illegally. You’d be like “wtf?! How can I fu*k over those who are behind this?!”mrussel1 said:
18 angry Democrats..cincybearcat said:
That's the official response of anything theat doesn't look good.
Isn't is strange how much time Trump had spent attacking a report theat completely exonerated him? I'm not sure that would be my course of action.0 -
Nah, I’m talking about abuse of power and fraud used in obtaining a fisa warrant. Presenting false information to a federal court is fraud. That’s illegal, and that warrant was what led to the investigation you speak of.mrussel1 said:
You are unclear about the meaning of illegal. You should read the statute creating the counsel and the number of lawsuits that tried to make that argument. They all lost. So the executive branch used a legislatively approved statute that was upheld by the judicial branch. You literally can't have anything more legal than this special counsel.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
It would be if you were trying to do your job and a smear campaign against you started illegally. You’d be like “wtf?! How can I fu*k over those who are behind this?!”mrussel1 said:
18 angry Democrats..cincybearcat said:
That's the official response of anything theat doesn't look good.
Isn't is strange how much time Trump had spent attacking a report theat completely exonerated him? I'm not sure that would be my course of action.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
Poppycock!RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
Nah, I’m talking about abuse of power and fraud used in obtaining a fisa warrant. Presenting false information to a federal court is fraud. That’s illegal, and that warrant was what led to the investigation you speak of.mrussel1 said:
You are unclear about the meaning of illegal. You should read the statute creating the counsel and the number of lawsuits that tried to make that argument. They all lost. So the executive branch used a legislatively approved statute that was upheld by the judicial branch. You literally can't have anything more legal than this special counsel.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
It would be if you were trying to do your job and a smear campaign against you started illegally. You’d be like “wtf?! How can I fu*k over those who are behind this?!”mrussel1 said:
18 angry Democrats..cincybearcat said:
That's the official response of anything theat doesn't look good.
Isn't is strange how much time Trump had spent attacking a report theat completely exonerated him? I'm not sure that would be my course of action.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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"I love the poorly educated."RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
It would be if you were trying to do your job and a smear campaign against you started illegally. You’d be like “wtf?! How can I fu*k over those who are behind this?!”mrussel1 said:
18 angry Democrats..cincybearcat said:
That's the official response of anything theat doesn't look good.
Isn't is strange how much time Trump had spent attacking a report theat completely exonerated him? I'm not sure that would be my course of action.
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This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
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Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
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How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.Post edited by The Juggler onwww.myspace.com0 -
Fascinating conclusion. So here's a question, if the warrant is such a criminal abuse, why hasn't Trump declassified and released it? It's perfectly within his power, yet he allows the the questions, accusations and demagoguery to continue. Why would he do that? It seems like there are only three possibilitiesRoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
1. It's perfectly legal and accurate
2. It's embarrassing top Trump
3. 1&2
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I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.0 -
Your reading comprehension is shit.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could you post a tweet by Rudy Guilianni to back up one of your claims next time?www.myspace.com0 -
Insults from you hurt so baddy. You’re so big and tough on the internets! Get a grip, tough guy.The Juggler said:
Your reading comprehension is shit.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could you post a tweet by Rudy Guilianni to back up one of your claims next time?I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
The Obama whitehouse knew it was happening and did nothing at all.mrussel1 said:
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0 -
That's not true, but it is true that they could have done more. Obama specifically warned Putin not to interfere. Biden wanted to release a joint statement with McConnell condemning the cyber crimes, but McConnell would not go along. Obama and team did not want to be seen as interfering with the election. Last, maybe most importantly, Obama needed Putin's support on Iran along with their commitment on a multi-lateral agreement to end the Syrian war. After the election, and when it became clear that Russia would not support the end to the war, that's when they hit Russia with the expulsion and sanctions.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The Obama whitehouse knew it was happening and did nothing at all.mrussel1 said:
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could they have done more? Probably. Should they have? That's difficult to say when evaluating the situation with the Iran and Syrian issues.
But back to Trump, should he have sought to leverage the crime? Do you think that's okay? Is that presidential? Is that commander in chief material to you? This isn't about Obama, but I entertained the deflection.0 -
The only deflection I see is for two years democrats wanted the silly investigation to happen with claims of “defending our democracy” and reaffirming our institutions. Then when the report comes out, with absolutely nothing that they were hoping for, they come out with tales such as yours.mrussel1 said:
That's not true, but it is true that they could have done more. Obama specifically warned Putin not to interfere. Biden wanted to release a joint statement with McConnell condemning the cyber crimes, but McConnell would not go along. Obama and team did not want to be seen as interfering with the election. Last, maybe most importantly, Obama needed Putin's support on Iran along with their commitment on a multi-lateral agreement to end the Syrian war. After the election, and when it became clear that Russia would not support the end to the war, that's when they hit Russia with the expulsion and sanctions.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The Obama whitehouse knew it was happening and did nothing at all.mrussel1 said:
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could they have done more? Probably. Should they have? That's difficult to say when evaluating the situation with the Iran and Syrian issues.
But back to Trump, should he have sought to leverage the crime? Do you think that's okay? Is that presidential? Is that commander in chief material to you? This isn't about Obama, but I entertained the deflection.
What justice can be obstructed if no wrong occurred?
Three big things about “obstruction” by trump came out in the report.
One, which is the least of them, is that a sitting pres can’t be charged.
The other far more important ones are that there is substantial evidence Trump was simply frustrated that the investigation was hamstringing his ability to govern and that there was no underlying crime (conspiracy with Russia) to begin with.Mueller’s team declared in the report last week over and over again that they found no evidence that President Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russia and that they didn’t have the goods to accuse Trump of obstructing justice.
But now, we’re supposed to act like that whole thing about Russia was nothing — that the real concern is Mueller’s declining to state that Trump had broken the law in attempting to influence the investigation.
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No the issue for me is what I stated. He failed the test as a commander because he didn't put the country, its democracy and the Constitution first. Do you not see that?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The only deflection I see is for two years democrats wanted the silly investigation to happen with claims of “defending our democracy” and reaffirming our institutions. Then when the report comes out, with absolutely nothing that they were hoping for, they come out with tales such as yours.mrussel1 said:
That's not true, but it is true that they could have done more. Obama specifically warned Putin not to interfere. Biden wanted to release a joint statement with McConnell condemning the cyber crimes, but McConnell would not go along. Obama and team did not want to be seen as interfering with the election. Last, maybe most importantly, Obama needed Putin's support on Iran along with their commitment on a multi-lateral agreement to end the Syrian war. After the election, and when it became clear that Russia would not support the end to the war, that's when they hit Russia with the expulsion and sanctions.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The Obama whitehouse knew it was happening and did nothing at all.mrussel1 said:
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could they have done more? Probably. Should they have? That's difficult to say when evaluating the situation with the Iran and Syrian issues.
But back to Trump, should he have sought to leverage the crime? Do you think that's okay? Is that presidential? Is that commander in chief material to you? This isn't about Obama, but I entertained the deflection.
What justice can be obstructed if no wrong occurred?
Three big things about “obstruction” by trump came out in the report.
One, which is the least of them, is that a sitting pres can’t be charged.
The other far more important ones are that there is substantial evidence Trump was simply frustrated that the investigation was hamstringing his ability to govern and that there was no underlying crime (conspiracy with Russia) to begin with.Mueller’s team declared in the report last week over and over again that they found no evidence that President Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russia and that they didn’t have the goods to accuse Trump of obstructing justice.
But now, we’re supposed to act like that whole thing about Russia was nothing — that the real concern is Mueller’s declining to state that Trump had broken the law in attempting to influence the investigation.
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Oh and btw, it's a well established legal principle that you can obstruct justice even without a crime. But I don't even care about the ten instances of that in the report. I care about his failure to protect our institutions.0
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So what are you saying, sorry I’m realizing I was rambling about something else... that Trump’s campaign didn’t work with Russia during their campaign but they knew that the Russians were meddling with things and therefore were supposed to gomrussel1 said:
No the issue for me is what I stated. He failed the test as a commander because he didn't put the country, its democracy and the Constitution first. Do you not see that?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The only deflection I see is for two years democrats wanted the silly investigation to happen with claims of “defending our democracy” and reaffirming our institutions. Then when the report comes out, with absolutely nothing that they were hoping for, they come out with tales such as yours.mrussel1 said:
That's not true, but it is true that they could have done more. Obama specifically warned Putin not to interfere. Biden wanted to release a joint statement with McConnell condemning the cyber crimes, but McConnell would not go along. Obama and team did not want to be seen as interfering with the election. Last, maybe most importantly, Obama needed Putin's support on Iran along with their commitment on a multi-lateral agreement to end the Syrian war. After the election, and when it became clear that Russia would not support the end to the war, that's when they hit Russia with the expulsion and sanctions.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The Obama whitehouse knew it was happening and did nothing at all.mrussel1 said:
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could they have done more? Probably. Should they have? That's difficult to say when evaluating the situation with the Iran and Syrian issues.
But back to Trump, should he have sought to leverage the crime? Do you think that's okay? Is that presidential? Is that commander in chief material to you? This isn't about Obama, but I entertained the deflection.
What justice can be obstructed if no wrong occurred?
Three big things about “obstruction” by trump came out in the report.
One, which is the least of them, is that a sitting pres can’t be charged.
The other far more important ones are that there is substantial evidence Trump was simply frustrated that the investigation was hamstringing his ability to govern and that there was no underlying crime (conspiracy with Russia) to begin with.Mueller’s team declared in the report last week over and over again that they found no evidence that President Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russia and that they didn’t have the goods to accuse Trump of obstructing justice.
But now, we’re supposed to act like that whole thing about Russia was nothing — that the real concern is Mueller’s declining to state that Trump had broken the law in attempting to influence the investigation.
to the FBI and say what, that they had reason to believe Russians were messing with our social media? I think that’s what you’re saying when you say crime right?
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The Russian GRU committed a crime by breaking into and stealing emails from the DNC and Podesta. The Trump campaign, while they evidently did not conspire in advance with the Russians, were aware of the theft before it was in the public square. Rather than informing the authorities, they worked with Wiki, the intermediaries, to leverage the release of the emails to their political advantage. They openly publicized and capitalized on the emails, rather than disavow them and condemn the Russians for the crime.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
So what are you saying, sorry I’m realizing I was rambling about something else... that Trump’s campaign didn’t work with Russia during their campaign but they knew that the Russians were meddling with things and therefore were supposed to gomrussel1 said:
No the issue for me is what I stated. He failed the test as a commander because he didn't put the country, its democracy and the Constitution first. Do you not see that?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The only deflection I see is for two years democrats wanted the silly investigation to happen with claims of “defending our democracy” and reaffirming our institutions. Then when the report comes out, with absolutely nothing that they were hoping for, they come out with tales such as yours.mrussel1 said:
That's not true, but it is true that they could have done more. Obama specifically warned Putin not to interfere. Biden wanted to release a joint statement with McConnell condemning the cyber crimes, but McConnell would not go along. Obama and team did not want to be seen as interfering with the election. Last, maybe most importantly, Obama needed Putin's support on Iran along with their commitment on a multi-lateral agreement to end the Syrian war. After the election, and when it became clear that Russia would not support the end to the war, that's when they hit Russia with the expulsion and sanctions.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
The Obama whitehouse knew it was happening and did nothing at all.mrussel1 said:
The candidate for president was aware that an adversarial nation committed a crime against a US political party. The candidate not only failed to notify the FBI, but actively sought to capitalize on it. That's betrays the president's first obligation to protect the Constitution, the citizens and the integrity of our democracy. It's a high crime as a president.RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
I’ve read the report, well about 135 pages of it anyway. If you’re a republican, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. If you’re a democrat, it gave you everything you wanted to hear. It didn’t do shit but waste 30 million and kept all of us lapping at the teet of whatever media isource was your mommy. A complete waste of time.The Juggler said:
Nice "article" from 14 months ago. Hey, remember when the Republicans controlled the house and they were investigating this very thing and......nothing came of it?RoleModelsinBlood31 said:This should better help
ypu understand that which you don’t want to believe is the truth:
https://aclj.org/government-corruption/fisa-memo-released-and-fraud-on-the-fisa-court-revealed
Keep your head in the sand, fella. It's probably nice and cozy down there.
**EDIT---by the way, your source for this is a website run by Jay Sekulow, THE PRESIDENT'S LAWYER?!?!!? Are you fucking kidding?
JESUS
FUCKING
CHRIST
How is this real life?
READ THE GOD DAMN REPORT.
Could they have done more? Probably. Should they have? That's difficult to say when evaluating the situation with the Iran and Syrian issues.
But back to Trump, should he have sought to leverage the crime? Do you think that's okay? Is that presidential? Is that commander in chief material to you? This isn't about Obama, but I entertained the deflection.
What justice can be obstructed if no wrong occurred?
Three big things about “obstruction” by trump came out in the report.
One, which is the least of them, is that a sitting pres can’t be charged.
The other far more important ones are that there is substantial evidence Trump was simply frustrated that the investigation was hamstringing his ability to govern and that there was no underlying crime (conspiracy with Russia) to begin with.Mueller’s team declared in the report last week over and over again that they found no evidence that President Trump’s 2016 campaign colluded with Russia and that they didn’t have the goods to accuse Trump of obstructing justice.
But now, we’re supposed to act like that whole thing about Russia was nothing — that the real concern is Mueller’s declining to state that Trump had broken the law in attempting to influence the investigation.
to the FBI and say what, that they had reason to believe Russians were messing with our social media? I think that’s what you’re saying when you say crime right?
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Sorry I’m not going to quote you, scrolling though that shit on my phone is killing me.
as to your point. I agree but there’s a lot of grey area in there. He was informed of the hack by us intelligence officials, so who was he supposed to inform about it, they already knew.
And aiding wikileaks? Not sure he needed to do that at all, the emails were published by wiki.I'm like an opening band for your mom.0
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