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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    Haven't you been paying attention? He's been there all along.
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    At this stage most still thought Trump would lose. Comey included. The memo was released to protect himself and clear the deck for Hillary going forward. You see some in the FBI were outraged about the handling of the Hillary investigation and the newly discovered Weiner laptop. Comey wanted to get ahead of this prior to the incoming Clinton administration. If it came up after her election he can claim it was already investigated. Clinton could claim the public had this information and voted for her anyway. Everybody thought she would win.

    You read way too much Jon Solomon.  He can take any event and attempt to spin it into a coup d'etat narrative.  At one point I thought you were a principled conservative, but you've got onboard like the rest of them.  I suggest you read more Reason.com, Goldberg, Dreher and Sullivan, rather than McCarthy and Solomon.  
    How about some Matt Taibbi

    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

    This is the most definitive unbiased report I have read yet. Spend the time and go through it all. It’s damning.
    I'm shocked that Taibbi wrote this.

    Wow.
    Why? He's been a collusion skeptic from the beginning.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    You mean how the media did it with Iraq,  Vietnam,  Watergate and lots of other examples.  But sure,  it was the Comey and the deep state exacting a coup. Good thing the Deep State Mueller saved the country from the Deep State.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    You mean how the media did it with Iraq,  Vietnam,  Watergate and lots of other examples.  But sure,  it was the Comey and the deep state exacting a coup. Good thing the Deep State Mueller saved the country from the Deep State.
    There was an assumption that Trump’s support would collapse during two years of investigation. It did not. There was an assumption that the GOP would lose the Senate under the weight of investigations. It did not. There was an assumption that those charge with process crimes would reveal bigger crimes. They did not. There was an assumption that high crimes and misdemeanors would eventually be found. They were not. The Deep State tried but failed. Mueller did what he could but at the end of the day he isn’t following everybody else off the cliff. What’s it like down there by the way?
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,602
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    You mean how the media did it with Iraq,  Vietnam,  Watergate and lots of other examples.  But sure,  it was the Comey and the deep state exacting a coup. Good thing the Deep State Mueller saved the country from the Deep State.
    There was an assumption that Trump’s support would collapse during two years of investigation. It did not. There was an assumption that the GOP would lose the Senate under the weight of investigations. It did not. There was an assumption that those charge with process crimes would reveal bigger crimes. They did not. There was an assumption that high crimes and misdemeanors would eventually be found. They were not. The Deep State tried but failed. Mueller did what he could but at the end of the day he isn’t following everybody else off the cliff. What’s it like down there by the way?
    Ok so now you're disparaging Mueller too. Yeah,  you're a conspiracy nut now.  Congrats. 
    And no one expected to win the Senate. Pelosi and leadership never assumed high crimes.  You're literally just making shit up, or listening to the extreme voices of the left and assuming everyone thought the same.  So let me give you some other anecdotal information from someone who actually lives in the US and talks to Americans in person,  every day,  in a moderate state.  No one talks about Mueller or Russia.., but people laugh every day about the dumb shit the president does,  or gets mortified about it. Opinions are locked in. 
  • Guys... start focusing on the important stuff.

    I was watching the greasy orange one on the tube the other night as I winded down for the evening in a hotel room. His side wisps were glued to the side of his head. Those strands of crusty hair were going nowhere- just absolutely locked in place. Lookin' good! Now I know why all those gorgeous girls wanna get with him.

    Why do I bring this up?

    If McDonald wants his wall... he should sign a sponsorship with Brylcreem. Let's get serious. He's a walking billboard in the most visible occupation in the world. Throw in a Depends and Viagra sponsorship... and that wall gets built. If they're a little short... they can run a pay for view Trump vs. Obama in the octagon. McConnell and Michelle Obama can be on the card as a prelim. 

    F**k why do I have to generate these ideas for you guys? Geezuz man.  
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    edited March 2019
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    You mean how the media did it with Iraq,  Vietnam,  Watergate and lots of other examples.  But sure,  it was the Comey and the deep state exacting a coup. Good thing the Deep State Mueller saved the country from the Deep State.
    There was an assumption that Trump’s support would collapse during two years of investigation. It did not. There was an assumption that the GOP would lose the Senate under the weight of investigations. It did not. There was an assumption that those charge with process crimes would reveal bigger crimes. They did not. There was an assumption that high crimes and misdemeanors would eventually be found. They were not. The Deep State tried but failed. Mueller did what he could but at the end of the day he isn’t following everybody else off the cliff. What’s it like down there by the way?
    Still doesn’t explain away all of the Team Trump Treason campaign/Administration contacts with Russians, why the Team Trump Treason Tower meeting took place and why the very stable genius wrote a memo saying it was about adoptions, why Pauley Manafort shared polling data with Russians, why Team Trump Treason openly stated, “Russia, if you’re listening,” nor Team Trump Treason’s lying about “no business ties in Russia,” or “I don’t know any Russians,” and most importantly, why everyone involved lied about it. Repeatedly. And I guess you and Matt have read Team Mueller’s report as well?
     
     
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    If there was “an organized effort to take down Team Trump Treason (full disclosure, I hate him),” then the Steele Dossier would have been made fully available before the election by Hillary or Obama and Comey would have publically announced that Team Trump Treason and his campaign were under FBI investigation in summer 2016 and McCain could have passed the Steele Dossier around in September rather than December. But you know, facts. 3,2,1 cue “the insurance policy.”
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  • rustneversleepsrustneversleeps The Motel of Lost Companions Posts: 2,209
    team trump treason
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
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    OnWis97 said:
    OnWis97 said:
    So are we looking at indictments over the fraudulent dossier?  
    More of the “fraudulent” dossier has been proven true than less. Who should be indicted?
    I’m parroting MAGAs...their take on the McCain kerfuffle.  They say he was part of that and tried to unseat a duly-elected president; Treason.  Truthfully, I know nothing about the dossier so I wanted to bounce this off the board.
    McCain was involved in the bipartisan effort to take Trump down. The dossier was the tool. It was assembled, laundered, recycled and distributed by multiple to make it seem like it was a set of corroborated sources. It was a fraud that only those like Halifax still believe. It was used to obtain FISA warrants even when some in the DOJ objected. It was used to spy on a candidate. It was used to hamstring an unexpected and unwanted President. It was used to trigger a Special Counsel. It’s all coming out.
    The appointment of a special counsel was triggered by the firing of James Comey. Please stick to the facts. Which, if the following were true, 

    “There was no collusion.”
    ”I don’t know any Russians.”
    ”I have nothing to hide.”
    ”I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
    ”We do everything by the book.”
    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
    “Very legal, very cool.”

    Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.

    Why would you fire the director of the FBI?

    ps: Team Trump Treason never “sat down and talked to anyone.”
     



    You fire the director of the FBI when he or she is doing a shitty job. He was too busy participating in coups in order to protect the FISA abuses of his upper brass instead of working to serve the citizenry. He lost the plot and lost the confidence of his employer.
    No assumptions baked into this statement.. sticking to the facts,  are ya?
    Yes. Facts that have been reported. Where it goes from here nobody knows. The IG is working on it.
    So it's factual that Comey wad attempting a coup.  And his other motivation was to protect the brass.  These are factual statements.
    Yes. He testified to it in June of 2017 when he discussed he leaked FBI memos to a friend who then passed it on to the NY Times in order to trigger a special counsel investigation. You see he and others signed off on a fraudulent FISA application against Carter Page in order to weaponize the intelligence community against a political opponent. With Trump’s unexpected election that was going to be discovered. Comey was in to deep. Many were. They needed to force Trump’s removal in order to protect themselves. They failed. Now they are being exposed.

    So why did he release the email memo a week before election? Was theat a clever head fake,  or his he just bad at diabolical strategies?  
    Also,  none of the events prove your crackpot theory.   Your abandonment of conservative principles has led to the adoption of Trumpian conspiracy mongering. 
    At this stage most still thought Trump would lose. Comey included. The memo was released to protect himself and clear the deck for Hillary going forward. You see some in the FBI were outraged about the handling of the Hillary investigation and the newly discovered Weiner laptop. Comey wanted to get ahead of this prior to the incoming Clinton administration. If it came up after her election he can claim it was already investigated. Clinton could claim the public had this information and voted for her anyway. Everybody thought she would win.

    You read way too much Jon Solomon.  He can take any event and attempt to spin it into a coup d'etat narrative.  At one point I thought you were a principled conservative, but you've got onboard like the rest of them.  I suggest you read more Reason.com, Goldberg, Dreher and Sullivan, rather than McCarthy and Solomon.  
    How about some Matt Taibbi

    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

    This is the most definitive unbiased report I have read yet. Spend the time and go through it all. It’s damning.
    And in all of Matt’s screed about the poor reporting of the MSM not one mention of Faux News, I believe. Remarkable.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
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    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    You mean how the media did it with Iraq,  Vietnam,  Watergate and lots of other examples.  But sure,  it was the Comey and the deep state exacting a coup. Good thing the Deep State Mueller saved the country from the Deep State.
    There was an assumption that Trump’s support would collapse during two years of investigation. It did not. There was an assumption that the GOP would lose the Senate under the weight of investigations. It did not. There was an assumption that those charge with process crimes would reveal bigger crimes. They did not. There was an assumption that high crimes and misdemeanors would eventually be found. They were not. The Deep State tried but failed. Mueller did what he could but at the end of the day he isn’t following everybody else off the cliff. What’s it like down there by the way?
    Ok so now you're disparaging Mueller too. Yeah,  you're a conspiracy nut now.  Congrats. 
    And no one expected to win the Senate. Pelosi and leadership never assumed high crimes.  You're literally just making shit up, or listening to the extreme voices of the left and assuming everyone thought the same.  So let me give you some other anecdotal information from someone who actually lives in the US and talks to Americans in person,  every day,  in a moderate state.  No one talks about Mueller or Russia.., but people laugh every day about the dumb shit the president does,  or gets mortified about it. Opinions are locked in. 
    I’m not disparaging Mueller...I am defending him. He did his job aggressively and thoroughly as he was appointed to do. He did not follow the corrupt members of the DOJ over the cliff. But either way...you don’t get to play the conspiracy card. The last two years has been the hunting down of one absurd conspiracy. The idea that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal an election has always been ridiculous. The idea that Russia had kompromat on Trump and controlled him was insane. You bathed in that soup that was fed to you. Taibbi outlined how your soup was made. You thought it was delicious and have zero interest about what was happening in the kitchen. You don’t get to play that card now that your phony charges have been dropped. You don’t get to all of the sudden say “nobody talks about Mueller” when that’s all that has been going on here for the last two years. You don’t get to call me out on sacrificing conservative principles when you have said you are willing to join up with the Bernie Bros. You’re now a defender of systemic DOJ corruption. It’s your favourite soup.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,592
    As far as I know, Mueller's report hasn't been released yet... unless it's already Sunday and I'm in some fucking time warp.


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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2019
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    If there was “an organized effort to take down Team Trump Treason (full disclosure, I hate him),” then the Steele Dossier would have been made fully available before the election by Hillary or Obama and Comey would have publically announced that Team Trump Treason and his campaign were under FBI investigation in summer 2016 and McCain could have passed the Steele Dossier around in September rather than December. But you know, facts. 3,2,1 cue “the insurance policy.”
    Simpson tried to get the dossier out there prior to the election but nobody other then Isikoff and a couple of others would report on it. News outlets wanted verification that they could not get so they wouldn’t run with it. At this point it wasn’t seen as important to desseminate because everybody assumed Hillary would win. The organized bipartisan effort to take down Trump came after he won. Try to keep up. It’s so tiring having to repeatedly explain things to you that are already common knowledge. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    Because that’s the look of a US President who is totally confident that there’s absolutely no way there could possibly be kompromant on him.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    I mean are you so myopic that you are misunderstanding that his point is a critique of the media,  and yet you're trying to use the piece as evidence if a completely different point? Your argument is in the same universe as Obama is a Kenyan Muslim who worships at a radical Christian church,  Vince Foster was murdered and Hillary personally sold all of our uranium to the Soviets.  That's where you're sitting right now,  with those crazies. 
    I understand his point completely. As he critiques the media he outlines how they  blindly accepted bullshit fed to them by the intelligence community. This includes being played by Comey in the intial reporting of the dossier. Quit skipping over this part. You are now doing it intentionally and it is not a good look. I am not with the crazies. I am with the fact that there was an organized effort to take down a president you hate. You refuse to see what is plainly before your eyes. It is too painful to look. 
    If there was “an organized effort to take down Team Trump Treason (full disclosure, I hate him),” then the Steele Dossier would have been made fully available before the election by Hillary or Obama and Comey would have publically announced that Team Trump Treason and his campaign were under FBI investigation in summer 2016 and McCain could have passed the Steele Dossier around in September rather than December. But you know, facts. 3,2,1 cue “the insurance policy.”
    Simpson tried to get the dossier out there prior to the election but nobody other then Isikoff and a couple of others would report on it. News outlets wanted verification that they could not get so they wouldn’t run with it. At this point it wasn’t seen as important to desseminate because everybody assumed Hillary would win. The organized bipartisan effort to take down Trump came after he won. Try to keep up. It’s so tiring having to repeatedly explain things to you that are already common knowledge. 
    Common knowledge like how McCain shared the Steele Dossier a month after the election or common knowledge that everyone in Team Trump Treason’s campaign/Administration with known connections to Russians lied about them? Repeatedly? Or common knowledge that Pauley Manafort shared polling data with Russians? Or common knowledge of Deep State conspiracy theorists?
     
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,821
    Goodness. Seems like we have our own thought police here in the thread. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    You know who else hasn’t tweeted since the Team Mueller report dropped on AG Barr? Erikkk, Donny, Jr., Jared Dear Boy and IvankA, that’s who.Yup, everything’s normal in Team Trump Treason world.

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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,195
    You know who else hasn’t tweeted since the Team Mueller report dropped on AG Barr? Erikkk, Donny, Jr., Jared Dear Boy and IvankA, that’s who.Yup, everything’s normal in Team Trump Treason world.

    NO SOUP FOR YOU!
    Maybe Kid Rock has all the dirt that's fit to dish.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/KidRock/status/1109574447445536768?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed&ref_url=https://d-1602002559651478851.ampproject.net/1903141753530/frame.html
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    More good news for trump: Isis was just defeated at their last stronghold. 
    Yes. ISIS and Mueller go down on same week. 

    Victory indeed.
    Snowflakes are melting everywhere lol. 
    Stop being like this @mcgruff10. It should be beneath you.
    Dude it is hilarious. 
    No it's not. But now I guess I know where your head is at. ZZZ.

    The last thing this country needs is a two year long trial.  Let’s now move past this witch hunt and tackle the problems we have. 
    Lol

    Like monthly... no... weekly active shooter drills in high schools?

     laughing and mocking about kids getting murdered now to make your argument? 

    Lol
    We’re not all as highly intelligent as you, self proclaimed genius.

    Lol
    Never claimed such a thing... i'm the first to say i'm an idiot thats wrong all the time 

    You're a teacher joking/laughing about American kids getting murdered? not much offends me, but that is just classless

  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    As for the Steele Dossier and whether it’s stood the test of time, see below. There’s a lot of nuggets in there that just might be borne out in Team Mueller’s report to AG Barr. It’s been awful quiet on the Team Trump Treason Twitter feed, by the way.

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Because that’s the look of a US President who is totally confident that there’s absolutely no way there could possibly be kompromant on him.


    Well there it is, the smoking gun
  • my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    More good news for trump: Isis was just defeated at their last stronghold. 
    Yes. ISIS and Mueller go down on same week. 

    Victory indeed.
    Snowflakes are melting everywhere lol. 
    Stop being like this @mcgruff10. It should be beneath you.
    Dude it is hilarious. 
    No it's not. But now I guess I know where your head is at. ZZZ.

    The last thing this country needs is a two year long trial.  Let’s now move past this witch hunt and tackle the problems we have. 
    Lol

    Like monthly... no... weekly active shooter drills in high schools?

     laughing and mocking about kids getting murdered now to make your argument? 

    Lol
    We’re not all as highly intelligent as you, self proclaimed genius.

    Lol
    Never claimed such a thing... i'm the first to say i'm an idiot thats wrong all the time 

    You're a teacher joking/laughing about American kids getting murdered? not much offends me, but that is just classless

    I’ve already clarified this for you. I’m laughing at your country’s response. Don’t spin it.

    And yes you did. You puffed your chest out earlier and boasted how you knew all along what the report was going to establish and how everybody else was a fool for thinking (more hoping) that results would be very damaging to Trump.

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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited March 2019
    Not good enough. And you made it personal.

    Where did I mock American kids getting murdered? I clearly pointed out the exemplary NZ response to their ‘one’ mass shooting. And then I mocked the US response to countless mass shootings (teach people how to do better in a mass murder situation).

    Sorry. I know you think the US is the greatest country in the world- you’ve said it several times in the America is awesome thread. But the truth is...your country elects f**king idiots (“Let’s rake the forests!”) for its president.,, and routinely fails its youth among a whole bunch of other things.

    So... yah.
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited March 2019
    It's 725 am Sunday morning.  I know I suggested he lay low for 3 days, but Don Trump can't make it another 24 hours without a "statement".

    In another questionable decision, he played golf with kidddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd ROCK yesterday.  This is his one true friend in a crisis.

    Robert Ritchie, who once said..."I am happy to make money. I want to make more money, make more music, eat Big Macs and drink Budweisers."

    Robert Mueller, who once said "You can be smart, aggressive, articulate and indeed persuasive, but if you are not honest, your reputation will suffer, and once lost a good reputation can never, ever be regained. As the saying goes, if you have integrity, nothing else matters, and if you do not have integrity, nothing else matters."

    It's gonna be long week for the head of the Trump crime family and all it's members.  A long fucking week.




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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,867
    edited March 2019
    my2hands said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    BS44325 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    More good news for trump: Isis was just defeated at their last stronghold. 
    Yes. ISIS and Mueller go down on same week. 

    Victory indeed.
    Snowflakes are melting everywhere lol. 
    Stop being like this @mcgruff10. It should be beneath you.
    Dude it is hilarious. 
    No it's not. But now I guess I know where your head is at. ZZZ.

    The last thing this country needs is a two year long trial.  Let’s now move past this witch hunt and tackle the problems we have. 
    Lol

    Like monthly... no... weekly active shooter drills in high schools?

     laughing and mocking about kids getting murdered now to make your argument? 

    Lol
    Isn't the biggest mockery of kids getting murdered you talking loud and wide about how america is the greatest, but still accepting a country where kids are getting murdered on a regular basis without anything being done about it. When there's proof other countries are doing it in sane ways.

    Isn't the US mocking kids every day?
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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 38,852
    dignin said:
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:

    At this stage most still thought Trump would lose. Comey included. The memo was released to protect himself and clear the deck for Hillary going forward. You see some in the FBI were outraged about the handling of the Hillary investigation and the newly discovered Weiner laptop. Comey wanted to get ahead of this prior to the incoming Clinton administration. If it came up after her election he can claim it was already investigated. Clinton could claim the public had this information and voted for her anyway. Everybody thought she would win.

    You read way too much Jon Solomon.  He can take any event and attempt to spin it into a coup d'etat narrative.  At one point I thought you were a principled conservative, but you've got onboard like the rest of them.  I suggest you read more Reason.com, Goldberg, Dreher and Sullivan, rather than McCarthy and Solomon.  
    How about some Matt Taibbi

    https://taibbi.substack.com/p/russiagate-is-wmd-times-a-million

    This is the most definitive unbiased report I have read yet. Spend the time and go through it all. It’s damning.
    I'm shocked that Taibbi wrote this.

    Wow.
    Why? He's been a collusion skeptic from the beginning.
    I tend to stay away from anything that Taibbi writes so I haven't been following him.  It is interesting to know that he didn't jump on the collusion train.  I may just give him another chance.

    Also from his past writing, Bush years, I am surprised that he didn't believe the collusion angle.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,481
    edited March 2019
    Team Trump Treason’s first two tweets post Team Mueller report are “Make America Great Again,” and “Good Morning, Have a Nice Day.” Yup, he’s screwed.
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