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  • Posts: 42,794
    edited March 2019
    BS44325 said:
    Nobody. Trump's team...if you can call it that...is/was being investigated for things that pre-dated his administration. I don't believe his Presidency is being accused of being corrupt. I know a lot of you "feel" that it is but that is not exactly the same thing. I am saying that the Obama administration was corrupt "unlike" Trump's. Fast and Furious, IRS, Bengazhi, Uranium One, DOJ interfering in FBI investigations, FISA abuse to spy on one's political opponents...to name a few.
    Fast & Furious: Started under Bush, investigated by repub Congress, no charges or indictments
    IRS: Both dem and repub donors targeted, investigated by IG and repub congress, no charges or indictments
    Benghazi: 4 separate repub Congressional investigations, SOS Clinton testified for over 14 hours in public testimony, no charges or indictments
    Uranium One: Investigated by IG and repub Congress, signed off on by 12 other Administration departments, no charges, no indictments
    DOJ interferring in FBI investigations? Which ones?
    FISA abuse? How so? Repubs investigated, held hearings, had 2 years of the executive, legislative and judicial branches and "POOF," no charges, no indictments.
    "To name a few?" What others are there? Did any lead to charges or indictments? Anyone arrested, charged, convicted of a crime and sentenced? Anyone?

    I guess you haven't been following the separate congressional investigations of the Secretary of Interior and the EPA? We also don't know about the financing for Jared Dear Boy's 666 5th Avenue and administration decisions regarding Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Israel, Russia, Deutch Bank, etc, etc. Been in a bubble? or Echo chamber?
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    BS44325 said:
    And again...nothing to do with Trump...except for the fact that it removes Trump's pardon power for any state charges/convictions.
    ...during the period from on or about December 22, 2015 to on or about March 7, 2016, knowingly and with intent to...

    In March 2016, he joined Trump's presidential campaign

    Don't you think it's odd they are charging him with everything they have right up until he joined tRUmps' campaign?

    Now fast forward to the future, where Manafort actually is charged with crimes related to tRUmp.  Imagine Manafort, convicted of multple felonies, trying to plead his case. 

    Or can't you see past the nose on your face? 
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    mrussel1 said:
    Completely agree on the women in leadership part.  It's a relic.  As far as the pedos, again I think you are right.  But I also think that the Church attracts gay men (not equating with pedos).  Boys who were Catholic but did not feel attracted to women saw the church as the next logical step.  They must have been "called" to the church.  It was almost a refuge, a reason they didn't live the same life as other people.  Now you put them in a spot where they are voluntarily repressed, but surround them with the same sex.  It seems like a combustion chamber.  Allowing women and married men into the church clergy could really have changed this dynamic.  It's sad.  
    The pope should be arrested and charged for running a pedophile ring, he fails to implement concrete measures to stop the abuse.  And these victims of the priest should sue the VaticananVatican...until the vatican bleeds money, those evil popes will do nothing.  Since they believe in heaven, they all can rot...
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Yes, the celibacy oath is a big problem, and I actually think it is the main factor that attracts all those pedophiles to the Catholic Church. But I have an even bigger problem with the fact that women are not allowed to be leaders in the Church. At all. The entire Vatican has exactly zero women participating in Church politics, and women are not allowed to be priests, and now finally it is just coming out about how many nuns have been sexually abused by priests as well (which comes as NO surprise whatsoever). Just what kind of terrible message does that disseminate to Catholic followers???? It REALLY pisses me off! Someone asked how Muslim women could feel okay about being in that faith given the sexual inequality... Well what about Catholic women?? I don't understand how any woman is okay with that kind of blatant sexism. Frankly, it doesn't even seem legal to me. Has no one challenged it legally?? Someone should!
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,782
    The pope should be arrested and charged for running a pedophile ring, he fails to implement concrete measures to stop the abuse.  And these victims of the priest should sue the VaticananVatican...until the vatican bleeds money, those evil popes will do nothing.  Since they believe in heaven, they all can rot...
    I agree.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Sorry, but how is political art wrong in any way? Is everyone mad at Jim Carrey for his paintings too? I haven't noticed that anyone is, nor should they be. An idiot with a sign outside a building designated a safe place for MAGA supporters isn't the same thing as that Kathy Griffin art photography session at all - that was a terrible comparison (as much as it behooves me to defend her - I can't stand that woman).
    Lots of people have criticized Carrey's "art".  But if you are saying that Griffin's severed head is okay because it's art and the women's sign is not okay for whatever reason, then you and I are on different wavelengths here.  
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    BS44325 said:
    Very true but no super delegates this time around. It will be very interesting. I think if Beto gets in it hurts Bernie which should clear the path for Biden.


    She won the popular, so the absence of the supers would not have changed the outcome.  Democrats will rue the day that they gave up the SD's.  It may be in 2020.  
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    I think things are getting a little confusing here. Halifax posted a picture of a dumb conservative holding something, and asked for a liberal equivalent, so I posted a picture of a dumb liberal holding something. That's the only reason this picture of Griffin is here. 
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Yes, the celibacy oath is a big problem, and I actually think it is the main factor that attracts all those pedophiles to the Catholic Church. But I have an even bigger problem with the fact that women are not allowed to be leaders in the Church. At all. The entire Vatican has exactly zero women participating in Church politics, and women are not allowed to be priests, and now finally it is just coming out about how many nuns have been sexually abused by priests as well (which comes as NO surprise whatsoever). Just what kind of terrible message does that disseminate to Catholic followers???? It REALLY pisses me off! Someone asked how Muslim women could feel okay about being in that faith given the sexual inequality... Well what about Catholic women?? I don't understand how any woman is okay with that kind of blatant sexism. Frankly, it doesn't even seem legal to me. Has no one challenged it legally?? Someone should!
    I have had some discussions with some Catholics regarding the treatment on women in their religion.  I truly think the only way to save the Catholic church is to 1) Allow women to be priests 2) Allow priests to marry 3) Kick out anyone convicted (or with enough evidence to convict) of sexual abuse, regardless of their stature in the church 4) Kick out anyone found to be hiding/protecting a sexual predator

    Even then....not sure.

    But since I'm someone that was raised Catholic but left the church long before I was 18 due to many reasons, I may not be the best person to speak for what the Catholic Church should do. I am a big fan of a lot of religious people...they really do seem to follow the word of their god and are genuinely good people.  But, I am not a fan of organized religion and it's use of it's people to gain/keep power/control and gain $.


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    I have had some discussions with some Catholics regarding the treatment on women in their religion.  I truly think the only way to save the Catholic church is to 1) Allow women to be priests 2) Allow priests to marry 3) Kick out anyone convicted (or with enough evidence to convict) of sexual abuse, regardless of their stature in the church 4) Kick out anyone found to be hiding/protecting a sexual predator

    Even then....not sure.

    But since I'm someone that was raised Catholic but left the church long before I was 18 due to many reasons, I may not be the best person to speak for what the Catholic Church should do. I am a big fan of a lot of religious people...they really do seem to follow the word of their god and are genuinely good people.  But, I am not a fan of organized religion and it's use of it's people to gain/keep power/control and gain $.


    Catholic Church officials should turn it over to law enforcement as soon as it’s brought to their attention or an allegation is made and law enforcement should treat the accused like any other alleged child molester. No more hiding behind the cross and the cloth and the hands off approach. By all sides, religiosity doesn’t elevate you to some higher level where rule of law doesn’t apply. Do other religions have this issue?
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,782
    edited March 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    Lots of people have criticized Carrey's "art".  But if you are saying that Griffin's severed head is okay because it's art and the women's sign is not okay for whatever reason, then you and I are on different wavelengths here.  
    I'm not saying that. I'm saying it was a bad comparison. I personally don't give a shit if some idiot wants to stand there embarrassing herself on the sidewalk. But I'm also saying that condemning Griffin is wrong - that art photo does not make her psycho IMO, while I think standing there with that dumb sign calling Dems psychos seems pretty wacked.
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    I think things are getting a little confusing here. Halifax posted a picture of a dumb conservative holding something, and asked for a liberal equivalent, so I posted a picture of a dumb liberal holding something. That's the only reason this picture of Griffin is here. 
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  • Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,782
    I have had some discussions with some Catholics regarding the treatment on women in their religion.  I truly think the only way to save the Catholic church is to 1) Allow women to be priests 2) Allow priests to marry 3) Kick out anyone convicted (or with enough evidence to convict) of sexual abuse, regardless of their stature in the church 4) Kick out anyone found to be hiding/protecting a sexual predator

    Even then....not sure.

    But since I'm someone that was raised Catholic but left the church long before I was 18 due to many reasons, I may not be the best person to speak for what the Catholic Church should do. I am a big fan of a lot of religious people...they really do seem to follow the word of their god and are genuinely good people.  But, I am not a fan of organized religion and it's use of it's people to gain/keep power/control and gain $.


    Agreed. And they also need to allow women to be cardinals and Popes. Oh, and they have to stop condemning gay marriage. And stop discouraging birth control.
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    edited March 2019
    Sure, it’s all my fault.
    Haha. Nope, definitely not your fault! Ledbetterman10, I don't think anything is confused. I'm simply saying that your liberal equivalent is not equivalent, IMO.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Agreed. And they also need to allow women to be cardinals and Popes. Oh, and they have to stop condemning gay marriage. And stop discouraging birth control.
    Yes, sorry.  When I said Priest I really meant the whole thing.

    I agree with you about gay marriage and birth control...but those are a little trickier and I could understand some of that.  Not the condemnation of it...not attacking.  I'd like the start and worry about the individual issues later :) 
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Haha. Nope, definitely not your fault! Ledbetterman10, I don't think anything is confused. I'm simply saying that your liberal equivalent is not equivalent, IMO.
    Well of course they aren't equivalent.  One is just an idiot with a sign.  The other was a thought out plan that basically threatens a sitting president with a beheading and hides behind "art".  Not equivalent at all!  I'm certain that's what you mean, because if you see it any other way then you are simply in denial. ;)
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Haha. Nope, definitely not your fault! Ledbetterman10, I don't think anything is confused. I'm simply saying that your liberal equivalent is not equivalent, IMO.
    Yeah, it's worse. The conservative is just a random woman with a sign, while the liberal is a celebrity showing off violent imagery. I guess if I went with Antifa protesters it would have been more equivalent. Or liberals pounding on the doors of the Supreme Court following the Kavanaugh confirmation. 
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    edited March 2019
    Well of course they aren't equivalent.  One is just an idiot with a sign.  The other was a thought out plan that basically threatens a sitting president with a beheading and hides behind "art".  Not equivalent at all!  I'm certain that's what you mean, because if you see it any other way then you are simply in denial. ;)
    Well he did say it was an equivalent, so you can't blame me for thinking that's what he meant. But, um, what?? You think an art piece is a threat?? I could not disagree with you more strongly on that. No, I'm not in denial, I am drawing a distinction between political art and just some random participating in public douchebaggery.
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    Yeah, it's worse. The conservative is just a random woman with a sign, while the liberal is a celebrity showing off violent imagery. I guess if I went with Antifa protesters it would have been more equivalent. Or liberals pounding on the doors of the Supreme Court following the Kavanaugh confirmation. 
    Did the woman holding the dumb repub sign suffer a backlash, ostracism, shouted down by her brethren? Shunning used to be popular.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Well he did say it was an equivalent, so you can't blame me for thinking that's what he meant. But, um, what?? You think an art piece is a threat?? I could not disagree with you more strongly on that. No, I'm not in denial, I am drawing a distinction between political art and just some random participating in public douchebaggery.
    Kathy was participating in some thought out public douchebaggery.

    And yes, I find that not to be art at all.  Just someone trying to hide behind art as the reason they can be a doucehbag.
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