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Can’t be that easy to just expand the bench can it? Otherwise any president who didn’t have a majority of justices would have done it.
good question. All it takes is a new law from congress. But the Dems need to unseat 4 senate republicans because they are likely to lose one of theirs, and Biden must win.
Then the senate Dems pass a new rule with the majority allowing any Supreme Court vote to come to the floor. This is exactly what McConnell did for the confirmation votes. Before McConnell they needed 60 votes, now it’s 51.
Then the Dems could pass a law allowing for more SCJs. The limit is not set in the constitution.
still need 60 in the senate to pass legislation....
That's why eliminating the filibuster is the first step. You only need a simple majority to do that
Don’t need to eliminate filibuster, only need to expand the McConnell rule exemption (confirmation at 51 votes instead of 60) to all matters concerning the high court. (“For all matters concerning the USSC the Senate may invoke cloture with a simple majority”). Which the Dems can easily do if they win the majority. Filibuster and number of SCJs are not restricted by the constitution.
Republicans are also talking about using the VP to break ties which is unprecedented so they always push the envelop. So forget about getting 4 republicans to vote against the next nominee. This is happening, a 6-3 conservative court. The senate confirmation process is supposed to be a check on executive branch power and here goes trump sending over pence to be the deciding vote on a lifetime appointment. If they are willing to change centuries old precedent yet again, its time to show the Rs that the Ds are willing to operate in the same manner, perhaps this will broker a negotiation to pass a constitutional amendment for term limits, because quite frankly the current partisan situation in unsustainable.
Can’t be that easy to just expand the bench can it? Otherwise any president who didn’t have a majority of justices would have done it.
good question. All it takes is a new law from congress. But the Dems need to unseat 4 senate republicans because they are likely to lose one of theirs, and Biden must win.
Then the senate Dems pass a new rule with the majority allowing any Supreme Court vote to come to the floor. This is exactly what McConnell did for the confirmation votes. Before McConnell they needed 60 votes, now it’s 51.
Then the Dems could pass a law allowing for more SCJs. The limit is not set in the constitution.
still need 60 in the senate to pass legislation....
That's why eliminating the filibuster is the first step. You only need a simple majority to do that
Don’t need to eliminate filibuster, only need to expand the McConnell rule exemption (confirmation at 51 votes instead of 60) to all matters concerning the high court. (“For all matters concerning the USSC the Senate may invoke cloture with a simple majority”). Which the Dems can easily do if they win the majority. Filibuster and number of SCJs are not restricted by the constitution.
Republicans are also talking about using the VP to break ties which is unprecedented so they always push the envelop. So forget about getting 4 republicans to vote against the next nominee. This is happening, a 6-3 conservative court. The senate confirmation process is supposed to be a check on executive branch power and here goes trump sending over pence to be the deciding vote on a lifetime appointment. If they are willing to change centuries old precedent yet again, its time to show the Rs that the Ds are willing to operate in the same manner, perhaps this will broker a negotiation to pass a constitutional amendment for term limits, because quite frankly the current partisan situation in unsustainable.
I’m not sure that’s right. Wouldn’t this be a new federal law that goes through both chambers and to the POTUS. I thought all laws besides budget reconciliation are subject to filibuster.
Regarding the VP vote, I would think the parliamentarian would make the rule on that, no?
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago 2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy 2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE) 2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston 2020: Oakland, Oakland:2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana 2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville 2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?
The latter in my opinion. I see the genius in the balance of the system. But it's out of equilibrium.
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
I just feel extremely disenfranchised, and I am sure much of the country feels the same way.
>50% of the country voted for Hillary and generally leans democrat... or "left" as we know it. The numbers get even greater for other progressive ideals such as healthcare, legalization of marijuana, higher minimum wage, affordable higher education, etc... Many of these things would be even more popular if they werent incorrectly labeled as "socialism" (where 'socialism' is re-branded as actual communism).
But the electoral college skews the votes to rural areas of the country. Seemingly the most powerful institution in this country, the Senate, gives way too much power to small states (in terms of population). As a result, now they have packed all the Federal courts and well on their way to pack the Supreme Court. They are trying to wipe Democrats, and anything other than Donald Trump off the map (who represent a majority of the country).
Now if my 'side' wins, I still recognize there are roughly 45% of the country who feels a certain way, they have representation at the table, and compromises need to be made. We need to stop this 100% one way or 100% the other way that started with Newt Gingrich and has been perfected under McConnell.
I also think there needs to be some modernization updates put into our constitution and processes. just shooting from the hip, I like the idea of ranked voting, changing or abolishing the electoral college, some sort of term on the supreme court (and probably change how they get nominated and confirmed), term limits on congress, IMMENSE campaign reform, etc...
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
They were. And if we'd had pure majority rule, slavery would have ended much later, integration may have occurred later, etc.
It's crazy, though, what it's turned into. It looks like we're now entering a tyranny of the minority.
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?
The latter in my opinion. I see the genius in the balance of the system. But it's out of equilibrium.
Agreed!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
Easy to say, yet I haven't heard any great ideas that don't have effects that can be s bad or worse than today. At least none that have a chance to actually happen under this Constitution.
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
Easy to say, yet I haven't heard any great ideas that don't have effects that can be s bad or worse than today. At least none that have a chance to actually happen under this Constitution.
That's why I'm a bookseller and not a politician.
Seriously though, I've heard a number of people here (and elsewhere) talk about how the Republicans play tough and the Democrats are too soft or even cave in. Seems to me the Democratic party playing more hardball might be a good idea.
But what do I, an old and lowly bookseller know? I just wish the left would stand up strong to the right and stop getting so run down. It's depressing as hell to watch them keep winning. (Like really fucking depressing!)
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
The system was initially setup so that wealthy male property owners had more representation. I’m not positive that the founders wouldn’t like a bunch of rich republicans running the show.
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
The system was initially setup so that wealthy male property owners had more representation. I’m not positive that the founders wouldn’t like a bunch of rich republicans running the show.
Yeah, sure, the founders would want a bunch of rich republicans who look the other way when the president acts more like a king than a president to be running the show. Suuuuuuuure they would.
Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
I may not align well with Gorsuch, but I at least thought he was a normal conservative judge pick that 20 years earlier probably would have skated through the process, but after the Garland debacle, Dems were pissed. Kavanaugh was a complete partisan hack. No matter what his legal expertise, he showed his true colors. He should not be a justice. So the stage is set to go even further right with this justice.
The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
Actually won't 5 justices be appointed by presidents that did not win the majority vote? Assuming 3 tRump and 2 Bush
Weird since the majority vote doesn't matter in a presidential election to even bring it up.
Trump has exposed how fucked up our system is.
The Founders were afraid of the tyranny of the majority. Look at what was happening in France at that moment in history.
the founders did not account for the tyranny of the minority. how can a party that has lost popular votes in the last several elections and only holds the white house and the senate continually screw over the majority who voted against them?
Exactly right. It is time to address the tyranny of the minority. The founders fucked that one up. They weren't infallible, after all, and naturally couldn't see every consequence of their framework.
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
Easy to say, yet I haven't heard any great ideas that don't have effects that can be s bad or worse than today. At least none that have a chance to actually happen under this Constitution.
If Biden wins and dems take the 4 R seats they are leading in the polls there are many things that can be done to get better odds in the senate and Judiciary.
End the filibuster for all judiciary matters. Start adding SCJs. There is no constitutional provision prohibiting it. 9 Justices is from law and laws are passed all the time.
End the filibuster for statehood. Immediately admit PR and DC. Create North and South California. This will add 6 likely democratic senators and give democrats a better long term chance at holding the senate. This could eventually swing the senate and statehood enough to think about amending the constitution.
All of the above is perfectly constitutional. But dems are too worried about "established norms " instead of doing anything possible to represent its constituents.
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Republicans are also talking about using the VP to break ties which is unprecedented so they always push the envelop. So forget about getting 4 republicans to vote against the next nominee. This is happening, a 6-3 conservative court. The senate confirmation process is supposed to be a check on executive branch power and here goes trump sending over pence to be the deciding vote on a lifetime appointment. If they are willing to change centuries old precedent yet again, its time to show the Rs that the Ds are willing to operate in the same manner, perhaps this will broker a negotiation to pass a constitutional amendment for term limits, because quite frankly the current partisan situation in unsustainable.
Regarding the VP vote, I would think the parliamentarian would make the rule on that, no?
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Trump tells Republicans to use 'nuclear option' to confirm supreme court pick
On Wednesday, Trump explicitly backed Republican Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell if he decides to use this “nuclear option” maneuver. “Yes, if we end up with the same gridlock we’ve had in Washington for longer than eight years, in all fairness to President Obama, a lot longer than eight years,” he said in the White House.
“If we end up with that gridlock, I would say, ‘If you can, Mitch, go nuclear.’ Because that would would be an absolute shame if a man of this quality was put up to that neglect. I would say it’s up to Mitch, but I would say, ‘Go for it.’”
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The universe sure is one fucked up place. Who would have thought one of the worst presidents would end up getting the chance to pick 1/3 of the court in less than 4 years. I sure hope there are some changes made to the process that limits a president's ability to stack the court. The pendulum must be about ready to swing back any day now and you know conservatives will not like it, but they've really come at this as a team approach the last 10 years. The fact that people are so stuck on one party is so odd to me.
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana
Is the system fucked up or just abused to death?
>50% of the country voted for Hillary and generally leans democrat... or "left" as we know it. The numbers get even greater for other progressive ideals such as healthcare, legalization of marijuana, higher minimum wage, affordable higher education, etc... Many of these things would be even more popular if they werent incorrectly labeled as "socialism" (where 'socialism' is re-branded as actual communism).
But the electoral college skews the votes to rural areas of the country. Seemingly the most powerful institution in this country, the Senate, gives way too much power to small states (in terms of population). As a result, now they have packed all the Federal courts and well on their way to pack the Supreme Court. They are trying to wipe Democrats, and anything other than Donald Trump off the map (who represent a majority of the country).
Now if my 'side' wins, I still recognize there are roughly 45% of the country who feels a certain way, they have representation at the table, and compromises need to be made. We need to stop this 100% one way or 100% the other way that started with Newt Gingrich and has been perfected under McConnell.
I also think there needs to be some modernization updates put into our constitution and processes. just shooting from the hip, I like the idea of ranked voting, changing or abolishing the electoral college, some sort of term on the supreme court (and probably change how they get nominated and confirmed), term limits on congress, IMMENSE campaign reform, etc...
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Agreed!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Time to clean up those mistakes. And hopefully do do with vigor, strength, and commitment.
I think this forcing this pick dooms Trump and the complicit R senate. Fuckers.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
If Biden wins and dems take the 4 R seats they are leading in the polls there are many things that can be done to get better odds in the senate and Judiciary.
End the filibuster for all judiciary matters. Start adding SCJs. There is no constitutional provision prohibiting it. 9 Justices is from law and laws are passed all the time.
End the filibuster for statehood. Immediately admit PR and DC. Create North and South California. This will add 6 likely democratic senators and give democrats a better long term chance at holding the senate. This could eventually swing the senate and statehood enough to think about amending the constitution.
All of the above is perfectly constitutional. But dems are too worried about "established norms " instead of doing anything possible to represent its constituents.