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There is an argument to be made that playing by the rules makes you a loser. Republicans gave up on the rules years ago and continue to win where it matters. Democrats can hang their hat on their high morals and will probably still lose. Historically the whole political spectrum in the US has been shifted right. The right is winning the war by playing dirty.
The argument is that you can't win against a moraly corrupt GOP if you continue to play by the rules and expect them to meet you halfway. All while the left continues to eat its own over petty stuff. I totally understand what Halifax is saying.0 -
But who cares? Lock him up and throw away the key. Give him leniency. Again...who cares? It seems like any interest in this is all about just making yourselves feel better. "Yay...Manafort got a big sentence!"...for something that has zero to do with Trump. I'm for whatever the judge decides because in the grand scheme of things it is totally irrelevant. It means nothing with respect to Trump.Bentleyspop said:Halifax2TheMax said:Big news dropping today. Manafort going to get ten years to run after his 4 years. Meanwhile, Team Mueller's investigation grinds on, thanks due to the fruit from the poisonous tree. Because you know,There was no collusion.”
“I don’t know any Russians.”
“I have nothing to hide.”
“I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”
“We do everything by the book.”
“Only the guilty plea the fifth.”
“Very legal, very cool.”
Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.
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The Lisa Page testimony just released yesterday says that the Obama DOJ overruled the FBI on charging Hillary. So who exactly is playing by the rules?dignin said:There is an argument to be made that playing by the rules makes you a loser. Republicans gave up on the rules years ago and continue to win where it matters. Democrats can hang their hat on their high morals and will probably still lose. Historically the whole political spectrum in the US has been shifted right. The right is winning the war by playing dirty.
The argument is that you can't win against a moraly corrupt GOP if you continue to play by the rules and expect them to meet you halfway. All while the left continues to eat its own over petty stuff. I totally understand what Halifax is saying.0 -
911 indeed.
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Socialism?
Impeach the FASCIST already.
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So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
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I think it has to be more than that. Every politician running against an incumbent has made the argument of "look how bad the incumbent is," which is a sound-enough, ageless strategy. But in 2016, when he wasn't an incumbent, the left's most popular argument seemed to be "look how awful Trump is." That's fair enough because he is awful. But what are they going to say in 2020? "See? Told ya."?mrussel1 said:
So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
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Given who I'm hearing this from I need a source.BS44325 said:
The Lisa Page testimony just released yesterday says that the Obama DOJ overruled the FBI on charging Hillary. So who exactly is playing by the rules?dignin said:There is an argument to be made that playing by the rules makes you a loser. Republicans gave up on the rules years ago and continue to win where it matters. Democrats can hang their hat on their high morals and will probably still lose. Historically the whole political spectrum in the US has been shifted right. The right is winning the war by playing dirty.
The argument is that you can't win against a moraly corrupt GOP if you continue to play by the rules and expect them to meet you halfway. All while the left continues to eat its own over petty stuff. I totally understand what Halifax is saying.0 -
I think Biden and Bernie are 1 and 2 out of name recognition at this early stage. My feeling is that Bernie has far more committed backers while Biden's support is softer and out of nostalgia. This is not a bad place to be for Biden but in a field this large he cannot lose his soft support to any of the other candidates. Bernie's support is strong and enduring and in a crowded field he will likely have the enthusiasm needed to come out on top.mrussel1 said:
So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
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Also...and this is key...Trump supporters don't care that "he is awful". They concede that "he is awful". He was awful when they voted for him in 2016. It is a transactional vote. It will be results based. If they feel on election day that they are for the most part getting the results they were promised then they will vote for him again. There is nothing you can tell them about his awfulness that they haven't factored in already.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think it has to be more than that. Every politician running against an incumbent has made the argument of "look how bad the incumbent is," which is a sound-enough, ageless strategy. But in 2016, when he wasn't an incumbent, the left's most popular argument seemed to be "look how awful Trump is." That's fair enough because he is awful. But what are they going to say in 2020? "See? Told ya."?mrussel1 said:
So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
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Don't you read the news?dignin said:
Given who I'm hearing this from I need a source.BS44325 said:
The Lisa Page testimony just released yesterday says that the Obama DOJ overruled the FBI on charging Hillary. So who exactly is playing by the rules?dignin said:There is an argument to be made that playing by the rules makes you a loser. Republicans gave up on the rules years ago and continue to win where it matters. Democrats can hang their hat on their high morals and will probably still lose. Historically the whole political spectrum in the US has been shifted right. The right is winning the war by playing dirty.
The argument is that you can't win against a moraly corrupt GOP if you continue to play by the rules and expect them to meet you halfway. All while the left continues to eat its own over petty stuff. I totally understand what Halifax is saying.0 -
I think he's helped by the large field, between NH/IA and into the deep primaries. It will be interesting when the field thins out and those are the two that are standing, plus maybe one more that is well financed. I agree that Bernie has more passionate supporters but I don't know if that means more supporters. Remember at the end of the day, Hillary garnered far more votes than him in the primary.BS44325 said:
I think Biden and Bernie are 1 and 2 out of name recognition at this early stage. My feeling is that Bernie has far more committed backers while Biden's support is softer and out of nostalgia. This is not a bad place to be for Biden but in a field this large he cannot lose his soft support to any of the other candidates. Bernie's support is strong and enduring and in a crowded field he will likely have the enthusiasm needed to come out on top.mrussel1 said:
So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
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That strategy worked like a champ last November. And Trump has done nothing to tack to the middle since then. He's shut down the gov't for no reason whatsoever and now declared this emergency. So I do think it's an effective strategy, far more than the Green New Deal in the general election.Ledbetterman10 said:
I think it has to be more than that. Every politician running against an incumbent has made the argument of "look how bad the incumbent is," which is a sound-enough, ageless strategy. But in 2016, when he wasn't an incumbent, the left's most popular argument seemed to be "look how awful Trump is." That's fair enough because he is awful. But what are they going to say in 2020? "See? Told ya."?mrussel1 said:
So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
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4-5 with good behaviour I imagine, maybe less.
So much for the 10 additional years on his initial sentence.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Source?BS44325 said:
Don't you read the news?dignin said:
Given who I'm hearing this from I need a source.BS44325 said:
The Lisa Page testimony just released yesterday says that the Obama DOJ overruled the FBI on charging Hillary. So who exactly is playing by the rules?dignin said:There is an argument to be made that playing by the rules makes you a loser. Republicans gave up on the rules years ago and continue to win where it matters. Democrats can hang their hat on their high morals and will probably still lose. Historically the whole political spectrum in the US has been shifted right. The right is winning the war by playing dirty.
The argument is that you can't win against a moraly corrupt GOP if you continue to play by the rules and expect them to meet you halfway. All while the left continues to eat its own over petty stuff. I totally understand what Halifax is saying.0 -
Very true but no super delegates this time around. It will be very interesting. I think if Beto gets in it hurts Bernie which should clear the path for Biden.mrussel1 said:
I think he's helped by the large field, between NH/IA and into the deep primaries. It will be interesting when the field thins out and those are the two that are standing, plus maybe one more that is well financed. I agree that Bernie has more passionate supporters but I don't know if that means more supporters. Remember at the end of the day, Hillary garnered far more votes than him in the primary.BS44325 said:
I think Biden and Bernie are 1 and 2 out of name recognition at this early stage. My feeling is that Bernie has far more committed backers while Biden's support is softer and out of nostalgia. This is not a bad place to be for Biden but in a field this large he cannot lose his soft support to any of the other candidates. Bernie's support is strong and enduring and in a crowded field he will likely have the enthusiasm needed to come out on top.mrussel1 said:
So far Biden leads in Iowa and Michigan, two statewide polls that have been released. And both are after Bernie announced. Bernie is the 2nd. So while you may be right, current evidence doesn't support it. The worst case scenario for the Democrats is for this to be a battle between capitalism and socialism ideas. That's a loser every time. It must be a referendum on Trump.BS44325 said:
Biden will not get the support of his party. I had hopes for Hickenlooper but his answer on whether he is a capitalist was pathetic. It shows where the base is. I don't see how Biden pulls it out. It's Bernie's party now.mrussel1 said:
Haha, says the guy that sees him stealing Democratic votes. His campaign is dead. I think a lot of people yearn for the normalcy of Biden. I know I do. Let's set things back to square and then can implement some progressive ideas, like universal healthcare, but not breaking up tech companies because we don't like rich guys. It's interesting that Warren didn't single out Apple when they are much more active in mixing platform with product than Amazon.BS44325 said:
That's why it's time for Schultz-A-Mania!mrussel1 said:
You're talking about the echo chambers on both sides. I'm talking about winning the middle. I don't think one swing or disengaged voter cared about a tan suit. No one in their echo chambers is changing their mind.Halifax2TheMax said:
Yes, but my point being, the repubs will never get their house in order. Its too effective for them. Meanwhile, us libs will continue to have it shoved up our ass, all the while being told to be "more civil." Again, I'm more than happy to meet half way but I need to see movement on the right. The left moves all the time and tries to build bridges and coalitions and solicits cooperation. And what do we get for our efforts? More ridicule, demonization and denigration. The problem isn't biggest on, or with, the left. Were leftiies standing outside Obama's motorcade with signs ridiculing repubs/conservatives? Obama was ridiculed for wearing a tan suit by repub members of Congress. Remeber that?mrussel1 said:
Okay so you were supportive of fellow liberals holding her accountable because what she did was wrong, even though the Republican's house isn't in order? Or were you against condemning her because some lady has a sign outside Mar A Lago?Halifax2TheMax said:
I believe she was widely condemned by both sides, investigated by the Secret Service and has since been ostracized and blown away inot the dustbin of history. In fact, I don't even recall her name and haven't seen nor heard of her since. If that had been a Team Trump Treason supporter with Obama's head, she would have been made SOS or VP.Ledbetterman10 said:Halifax2TheMax said:Outside Mar-I-Lieo, courtesy of the NYT. Show me the dem/lib equivalent.
Ask for psycho dems and you shall receive.
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Ouch. This must be soul crushing for Halifax.Meltdown99 said:
4-5 with good behaviour I imagine, maybe less.
So much for the 10 additional years on his initial sentence.0
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