Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez

Meltdown99 said:

Tesla could make a $25,000 electric car in ‘about 3 years’, says Elon Musk

Unfortunately, that's American...it would be much more in Canada.

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Let's also remember that math actually isn't required for many subjects. Someone getting a degree in the arts (excluding economics) will literally never need to be good at math. That is what calculators are for. And likewise for mathematicians. Show me a really great university-level mathematician who is also great at writing composition, and I'll be pleasantly surprised that such an intellectual anomaly has been discovered. It's petty rare in any university setting, and always impressive. Hell, half the good math students at the university I work at barely speak English.

While true,  it gives too much credibility to the statement.  Unless one feels there was a failing by every teacher,  state mandated testing,  the actual diploma, college entrance exams,  and by the professors, the basis of the statement is flawed.  If one passes all the tests and controls leading up to the college graduation,  then by definition they were smart enough to go to college.  

I actually assumed the "elementary school level" math thing was more hyperbolic. I mean, someone IN university doing the arts and some applied sciences doesn't need to do any math at all in college, but they did need probably a minimum of a passing grade in grade 11 math. They might have forgotten everything they learned immediately, but they did manage it. So they either scraped by that level one way or another, or aren't in university. I personally barely scraped by that level, after being tutored 3 days a week by my math 11 teacher, and even then I suspect he gave me a generous mark or two just to make sure i passed. He did this because he was well aware that I was well suited for university (I had mostly A's otherwise), despite the fact that I sucked at math.

If hyperbole,  that just weakens the argument.  Im curious then what makes someone too stupid or undeserving of advanced education.  If there was a whole army of people graduating without either elementary reading or math skills,  well that's an issue. If an exaggeration..

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Would acceptance requirements have to rise significantly? Are they very low in the US now? I've never heard that. I had the impression that admission requirements are pretty reasonable. It's very hard to get accepted to very reputable universities and you pretty much need all As and Bs, a little easier but still hard to get into the mid-range ones, you still need pretty decent grades even for the lower rated universities and colleges, like still in the 70%+ range... and if you can't make that you start with community college and build up better grades that way until you figure out how to meet the admission requirements, which is a solid tactic for self-improvement. And if you can't do that you figure out how to get a decent job without any meaningful post-secondary education.

Well I thought state schools had to admit students that could pay...they don’t get admitted to some colleges and sometime must hit the branch campuses but I thought that’s how it is...but I don’t know for sure. And I bet it differs state to state.

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Would acceptance requirements have to rise significantly? Are they very low in the US now? I've never heard that. I had the impression that admission requirements are pretty reasonable. It's very hard to get accepted to very reputable universities and you pretty much need all As and Bs, a little easier but still hard to get into the mid-range ones, you still need pretty decent grades even for the lower rated universities and colleges, like still in the 70%+ range... and if you can't make that you start with community college and build up better grades that way until you figure out how to meet the admission requirements, which is a solid tactic for self-improvement. And if you can't do that you figure out how to get a decent job without any meaningful post-secondary education.

Well I thought state schools had to admit students that could pay...they don’t get admitted to some colleges and sometime must hit the branch campuses but I thought that’s how it is...but I don’t know for sure. And I bet it differs state to state.

That would be a trick. They don't have an unlimited number of seats, so at some point any school that people want to go to would have to start turning people away. If any student who can pay can get in, it means there are enough spots for all those people... and how could that be a bad thing? But also, it's not every student who can pay. They do still have minimum academic requirements no matter what. It's only the GPA minimum that changes because of demand or lack of it.

Admission criteria

If you have never attended college, you can be admitted to a regional campus if you are an Ohio resident with a degree from a chartered high school or a GED.

Straight from Ohio State's admissions page.  They let any high school grad into their branch campuses.

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Would acceptance requirements have to rise significantly? Are they very low in the US now? I've never heard that. I had the impression that admission requirements are pretty reasonable. It's very hard to get accepted to very reputable universities and you pretty much need all As and Bs, a little easier but still hard to get into the mid-range ones, you still need pretty decent grades even for the lower rated universities and colleges, like still in the 70%+ range... and if you can't make that you start with community college and build up better grades that way until you figure out how to meet the admission requirements, which is a solid tactic for self-improvement. And if you can't do that you figure out how to get a decent job without any meaningful post-secondary education.

Well I thought state schools had to admit students that could pay...they don’t get admitted to some colleges and sometime must hit the branch campuses but I thought that’s how it is...but I don’t know for sure. And I bet it differs state to state.

That would be a trick. They don't have an unlimited number of seats, so at some point any school that people want to go to would have to start turning people away. If any student who can pay can get in, it means there are enough spots for all those people... and how could that be a bad thing? But also, it's not every student who can pay. They do still have minimum academic requirements no matter what. It's only the GPA minimum that changes because of demand or lack of it.

Admission criteria

If you have never attended college, you can be admitted to a regional campus if you are an Ohio resident with a degree from a chartered high school or a GED.

Straight from Ohio State's admissions page.  They let any high school grad into their branch campuses.

"Can be admitted" does not equal will be admitted. They have more info on other areas of their website. They make it clear that they don't admit everyone.

https://undergrad.osu.edu/apply/freshmen-columbus/who-gets-in

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

Would acceptance requirements have to rise significantly? Are they very low in the US now? I've never heard that. I had the impression that admission requirements are pretty reasonable. It's very hard to get accepted to very reputable universities and you pretty much need all As and Bs, a little easier but still hard to get into the mid-range ones, you still need pretty decent grades even for the lower rated universities and colleges, like still in the 70%+ range... and if you can't make that you start with community college and build up better grades that way until you figure out how to meet the admission requirements, which is a solid tactic for self-improvement. And if you can't do that you figure out how to get a decent job without any meaningful post-secondary education.

Well I thought state schools had to admit students that could pay...they don’t get admitted to some colleges and sometime must hit the branch campuses but I thought that’s how it is...but I don’t know for sure. And I bet it differs state to state.

That would be a trick. They don't have an unlimited number of seats, so at some point any school that people want to go to would have to start turning people away. If any student who can pay can get in, it means there are enough spots for all those people... and how could that be a bad thing? But also, it's not every student who can pay. They do still have minimum academic requirements no matter what. It's only the GPA minimum that changes because of demand or lack of it.

Admission criteria

If you have never attended college, you can be admitted to a regional campus if you are an Ohio resident with a degree from a chartered high school or a GED.

Straight from Ohio State's admissions page.  They let any high school grad into their branch campuses.