Donald Trump

HesCalledDyer · February 2019

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Why does it fucking matter what she is?

It doesn't. That's why it's so strange that she made it a thing.

Even stranger that we continue to go on about it... since it doesn't matter.

This response to you is the first I've talked about it. I think Warren's irrelevant.

Yeah, I didn't mean "we" as in you and I, but rather the general public.

Ledbetterman10 · February 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Why does it fucking matter what she is?

It doesn't. That's why it's so strange that she made it a thing.

Even stranger that we continue to go on about it... since it doesn't matter.

This response to you is the first I've talked about it. I think Warren's irrelevant.

Yeah, I didn't mean "we" as in you and I, but rather the general public.

I thought that may be the case. But really, other than this board, I don't hear much about this anymore. But I may just be subconsciously ignoring it.

Gern Blansten · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's definitely damaging to Warren but only because liberals aren't stupid.

tRump is guilty of so much more than that. (and we can't even talk about what Mueller might find) yet the trumpsters will ignore all of that and instead beat this latest scandal to death.

Trump has done worse? No shit.

Why all the whataboutism regarding Warren?

Sometimes whataboutism is justifiable. That would be the case here.

OnWis97 · February 2019

Gern Blansten said:

cincybearcat said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's definitely damaging to Warren but only because liberals aren't stupid.

tRump is guilty of so much more than that. (and we can't even talk about what Mueller might find) yet the trumpsters will ignore all of that and instead beat this latest scandal to death.

Trump has done worse? No shit.

Why all the whataboutism regarding Warren?

Sometimes whataboutism is justifiable. That would be the case here.

Or, perhaps Warren is the Whataboutism.

my2hands · February 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

my2hands said:

I love watching people twist into pretzels trying to explain and excuse away Pocahontas.... she is whiter than mayonnaise, thought she was Native American because granny said so? lol

Some of ya'll are either really naive or just refuse to own shit when its your side

She fucked up and has zero shot in a primary now... move on

Why does it always have to be about sides? When are people going to wake up and realize the only two sides are the government and the people. And the former isn't working for the latter. Democrats, Republicans. The only difference between the two is which group of billionaires they pander to.

With that statement we are clearly on the same team

my2hands · February 2019

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.

To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief.

More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that.

I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.

Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism.

Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?

I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News. I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party.

Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.

I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

where did you get that from??? The comparison? You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?

Because being outraged or claiming that what Elizabeth Warren has done should disqualify her for running for president is complete and utter bullshit and I thought you might be smart enough to realize that but apparently not. Its not such an egregious transgression that rises to the level some would like it to rise to. "Warren is still done." Guess she should resign the senate too? Keep up the faux outrage over something so insignificant, its fitting.

There you go questioning someone's intelligence, for pretty much no reason other than they disagree with you

Pocahontas is done in the primary, whether you and I like it or not.

CM189191 · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.

To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief.

More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that.

I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.

Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism.

Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?

I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News. I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party.

Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.

I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

where did you get that from??? The comparison? You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?

Why is she done? Done what? She made an honest mistake. Realized it, apologized and moved on. None of it was intentionally misleading, unethical or illegal. So... Why would she be done? So your math.

my2hands · February 2019

Some of you guys still dont seem to really understand elections and general public voters

PJ_Soul · February 2019

oftenreading said:

cincybearcat said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.

To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief.

More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that.

Talk about cultural appropriation. She's done. But let's be honest, she never really had a shot anyhow.

Is it cultural appropriation if your parents told you from when you were small that that’s your heritage and you believed them? Obviously it isn’t; no reasonable person would say that. It’s only been within the last few years that there’s even been a way to test that. Previously we basically just believed what we were told from prior generations, who clearly are not uncommonly wrong, either due to their own misinformation or because they were hiding something. And my comment has nothing to do with Warren’s chances at election, just with common sense.

Since I was small, my family has told me that I am Irish on one side, three generations back, and the usual mixed Northern European on the other, and that’s what I’ve told people if they asked. If I ever was to do a DNA test and find that I don’t actually have Irish heritage, have I been guilty of cultural appropriation all along? No, because that’s absurd.

I agree, and I think a lot of people are seriously underestimating the power of family oral histories. Warren's family did her a disservice across generations, but I sincerely don't see this as Warren's fault. I think it's cheap and dirty for people to keep hammering her on this issue, and to pretend she went around deliberately lying or say she's committed cultural appropriation.

OnWis97 · February 2019

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.

To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief.

More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that.

I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.

Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism.

Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?

I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News. I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party.

Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.

I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

where did you get that from??? The comparison? You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?

Why is she done? Done what? She made an honest mistake. Realized it, apologized and moved on. None of it was intentionally misleading, unethical or illegal. So... Why would she be done? So your math.

Because it's going to be harped on constantly. It's going to be her "invented the internet." Al Gore never claimed he invented the internet, but many people thought so. The outrage is already disproportionate with the reality and it will only get worse. The worst case would be her winning the primary (since the Dems probably won't bring it up much). Trump would destroy her.

Gern Blansten · February 2019

Adding "American Indian" to the registration is odd for sure. But....registering as any race got her nowhere. It's just statistical.

cincybearcat · February 2019

CM189191 said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.

To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief.

More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that.

I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.

Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism.

Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?

I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News. I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party.

Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.

I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

where did you get that from??? The comparison? You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?

Why is she done? Done what? She made an honest mistake. Realized it, apologized and moved on. None of it was intentionally misleading, unethical or illegal. So... Why would she be done? So your math.

Why is she done? IMO

1) Already a target of the right and this gives ammo. Regardless of whether or not you or I or others think it's important it will come up often in the election and she will be a punchline
2) The Dem party has a very crowded field that includes multiple women. So that won't be a distinguishing factor for her. Add to it that there will be plenty of minority candidates (including minority women) her move to claim she's a minority will not sit well with some Dem voters.
3) The issue keeps popping up. This was the Washington Post...not Fox news. The fact it keeps coming up shows it is not going to go away.

So - based on that I think shes done. Put her up individually against some of the Dem candidates for the nomination and decide who you think is going to win if it were 1:1.

Sanders vs Warren
Harris vs Warren
Biden vs Warren
Booker vs Warren
Beto vs Warren
and on and on and on....how many does she win? Like 1 out of every 5 MAX? So I find this to simply be the nail in the coffin.

ikiT · February 2019

Gern Blansten said:

Adding "American Indian" to the registration is odd for sure. But....registering as any race got her nowhere. It's just statistical.

word.

Statistics.

ikiT · February 2019

Biden/Booker
Beto/Booker
Harris/Booker

cincybearcat · February 2019

Tiki said:

Biden/Booker
Beto/Booker
Harris/Booker

no Warren?

See Tiki agrees!

cincybearcat · February 2019

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american/index.html

This.

Ok, unless someone else wants to call me stupid or say I said things I didn't say I'm done with this.

Meltdown99 · February 2019

HesCalledDyer said:

my2hands said:

I love watching people twist into pretzels trying to explain and excuse away Pocahontas.... she is whiter than mayonnaise, thought she was Native American because granny said so? lol

Some of ya'll are either really naive or just refuse to own shit when its your side

She fucked up and has zero shot in a primary now... move on

Why does it always have to be about sides? When are people going to wake up and realize the only two sides are the government and the people. And the former isn't working for the latter. Democrats, Republicans. The only difference between the two is which group of billionaires they pander to.

Yup. Agreed 100%.

PJPOWER · February 2019

Meltdown99 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

my2hands said:

I love watching people twist into pretzels trying to explain and excuse away Pocahontas.... she is whiter than mayonnaise, thought she was Native American because granny said so? lol

Some of ya'll are either really naive or just refuse to own shit when its your side

She fucked up and has zero shot in a primary now... move on

Why does it always have to be about sides? When are people going to wake up and realize the only two sides are the government and the people. And the former isn't working for the latter. Democrats, Republicans. The only difference between the two is which group of billionaires they pander to.

Yup. Agreed 100%.

Yes! 100%. Thank you @hescalleddyer

Halifax2TheMax · February 2019

cincybearcat said:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/06/politics/elizabeth-warren-native-american/index.html

This.

Ok, unless someone else wants to call me stupid or say I said things I didn't say I'm done with this.

Please point me to where I called you “stupid?” Making shit up again. See? It works both ways.

Halifax2TheMax · February 2019

my2hands said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

oftenreading said:

pjl44 said:

In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.

To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief.

More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that.

I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.

Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism.

Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?

I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News. I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party.

Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.

I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

where did you get that from??? The comparison? You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?

Because being outraged or claiming that what Elizabeth Warren has done should disqualify her for running for president is complete and utter bullshit and I thought you might be smart enough to realize that but apparently not. Its not such an egregious transgression that rises to the level some would like it to rise to. "Warren is still done." Guess she should resign the senate too? Keep up the faux outrage over something so insignificant, its fitting.

There you go questioning someone's intelligence, for pretty much no reason other than they disagree with you

Pocahontas is done in the primary, whether you and I like it or not.

Says the guy who called me, “not the smartest guy in the room.” Bully.

Donald Trump

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