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  • mrussel1
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    Tiki said:
    Ha ha... that's great.  So fitting.   If only we could get an Agnew done first..
  • cincybearcat
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:


    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
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  • my2hands
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    edited February 2019
    I love watching people twist into pretzels trying to explain and excuse away Pocahontas.... she is whiter than mayonnaise, thought she was Native American because granny said so? lol

    Some of ya'll are either really naive or just refuse to own shit when its your side

    She fucked up and has zero shot in a primary now... move on
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  • pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:


    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
     Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.
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  • my2hands said:
    I love watching people twist into pretzels trying to explain and excuse away Pocahontas.... she is whiter than mayonnaise, thought she was Native American because granny said so? lol

    Some of ya'll are either really naive or just refuse to own shit when its your side

    She fucked up and has zero shot in a primary now... move on
    Zero shot? She’s working Iowa and all the massholes and illegals imported into NH to vote for their senator on primary day give her a better than zero shot.
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  • cincybearcat
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:


    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
     Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.
    I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

    where did you get that from??? The comparison?  You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?


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  • Meltdown99
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    Elizabeth Warren's 'part' Cherokee claim is a joke, and a racist insult to Natives like me

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    At this point, the debate about Warren has done enough harm to Native Americans that it simply needs to stop. I am a registered Democrat who has voted blue in every election since I first cast a ballot for John Kerry when I was 18 years old, but I cannot support a candidacy that will come at the expense of my people. Democrats who support Native rights need to get behind a different candidate.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:


    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
     Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.
    I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

    where did you get that from??? The comparison?  You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?


    everything democrats do is excusable because it's nowhere near as bad as what trump does. nothing is ever looked at as its own incident anymore. 

    for people who are always crying "buh buh buh", and "whataboutisms", sure tend to use them a bunch. 

    for the record, I don't think she claimed NA heritage while knowing she wasn't. we all go by what our families tell us. have I ever looked into what I've always been told is my heritage? nope. and I don't care. the only reason people do that beyond curiosity is to get some type of card/benefit from the government. if it serves you no purpose/benefit, then why would you? 
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  • pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:


    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
     Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.
    I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

    where did you get that from??? The comparison?  You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?


    Because being outraged or claiming that what Elizabeth Warren has done should disqualify her for running for president is complete and utter bullshit and I thought you might be smart enough to realize that but apparently not. Its not such an egregious transgression that rises to the level some would like it to rise to. "Warren is still done." Guess she should resign the senate too? Keep up the faux outrage over something so insignificant, its fitting.
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  • HesCalledDyer
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    my2hands said:
    I love watching people twist into pretzels trying to explain and excuse away Pocahontas.... she is whiter than mayonnaise, thought she was Native American because granny said so? lol

    Some of ya'll are either really naive or just refuse to own shit when its your side

    She fucked up and has zero shot in a primary now... move on
    Why does it always have to be about sides?  When are people going to wake up and realize the only two sides are the government and the people.  And the former isn't working for the latter.  Democrats, Republicans.  The only difference between the two is which group of billionaires they pander to.
  • OnWis97
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    edited February 2019
    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:
    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
     Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.
    I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

    where did you get that from??? The comparison?  You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?


    everything democrats do is excusable because it's nowhere near as bad as what trump does. nothing is ever looked at as its own incident anymore. 

    for people who are always crying "buh buh buh", and "whataboutisms", sure tend to use them a bunch. 

    for the record, I don't think she claimed NA heritage while knowing she wasn't. we all go by what our families tell us. have I ever looked into what I've always been told is my heritage? nope. and I don't care. the only reason people do that beyond curiosity is to get some type of card/benefit from the government. if it serves you no purpose/benefit, then why would you? 
    I don't believe that.  Sometimes they need to be better than Trump (or even Be Best).  We still can and should judge their actions on their own merits.  That said, I just don't have the energy to care about this whole Warren kerfuffle.  I just don't care.  She believed it.  She should have looked further, I guess but I am totally with you on the third paragraph.  In my world, it should not end her chance.  But it does.  Hopefully she's eliminated early.

    Regarding your second paragraph, it's not just the whataboutisms, but the both-sidsing.  
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  • cincybearcat
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    pjl44 said:
    pjl44 said:


    In case any of the "she never said herself...." crowd missed WaPo's story yesterday.
    To me, this just shows she’s believed in this narrative about her heritage for decades, because this is dated 1986. It wasn’t something put on for political gain. It turns out it was incorrect, but it seems to have been a genuine belief. 

    More and more people are now finding out that their heritage isn’t what they believed and what they were taught, and there will be a lot more fallout from that. 
    I agree with your overall point. If only she had addressed it honestly and contritely from the moment this issue was raised. Instead she dug in and handed it like a politician for years.
    Her handling of it when the DNA results came out didn't help the optics of it, certainly. However, I don't think there was any was that she could have handled it that wouldn't lead to the same criticism, given the ones handing out the criticism. 
    Team Trump Treason can only win via the politics of personal destruction rather than policy. He’s going to avoid debating at all costs and if he does, he’ll stammer and come across as the disengaged idiot that he is. Nipple and Button, anyone?
    I’m confused at why anything someone that opposing trump does is ok and anything someone that supports trump does is bad.

    Defending Warren on this is pretty weak. Heck it was the Washington Post, not Fox News.  I’m not sure when we all lost the ability to see the good vs bad regardless of party. 
     Because claiming Native American heritage doesn’t come anywhere close to the transgressions of Team Trump Treason. If Elizabeth Warren sexually assaulted men, bragged about it, scammed consumers out of millions of dollars, declared bankruptcy multiple times, cheated on her taxes, laundered money, conspired with a foreign power to throw her election to her, then we could have a rational conversation about equal condemnation. Both sides are not the same so stop positing that what Elizabeth Warren did is as bad as what Team Trump Treason did or will do.
    I’m not comparing. You are. Warren is still wrong and she’s done.

    where did you get that from??? The comparison?  You are ignoring her stupidity and her bad move because it’s not as bad as trump? Is that right?


    Because being outraged or claiming that what Elizabeth Warren has done should disqualify her for running for president is complete and utter bullshit and I thought you might be smart enough to realize that but apparently not. Its not such an egregious transgression that rises to the level some would like it to rise to. "Warren is still done." Guess she should resign the senate too? Keep up the faux outrage over something so insignificant, its fitting.
    Ummm not outraged and not saying it disqualified her. But I do think it means she is unelectable. You see the difference right?

    keep up the trump outrage for everything including toilet paper on his shoe and calling people names and making up stupid (you think clever) team trump treason bs and ignoring everything else.

    your head must be buried up trumps ass. I’m guessing you are staring in the next Ptape.


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  • Gern Blansten
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    It's definitely damaging to Warren but only because liberals aren't stupid.  

    tRump is guilty of so much more than that. (and we can't even talk about what Mueller might find) yet the trumpsters will ignore all of that and instead beat this latest scandal to death.
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    It's definitely damaging to Warren but only because liberals aren't stupid.  

    tRump is guilty of so much more than that. (and we can't even talk about what Mueller might find) yet the trumpsters will ignore all of that and instead beat this latest scandal to death.
    Trump has done worse? No shit. :)

    Why all the whataboutism regarding Warren?
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    edited February 2019
    Why does it fucking matter what she is?
    It doesn't. That's why it's so strange that she made it a thing. 
    Even stranger that we continue to go on about it... since it doesn't matter.
  • Why does it fucking matter what she is?
    It doesn't. That's why it's so strange that she made it a thing. 
    Even stranger that we continue to go on about it... since it doesn't matter.
    This response to you is the first I've talked about it. I think Warren's irrelevant. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,837
    Oh and now you are saying that I’m saying she should resign from the senate? Jesus H Christ. You see the difference between thinking that a topic/issue has made it so hard that a candidate likely has no shot at the presidency is very different from them keeping their current job.

    I don’t understand this place.
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