PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

Jearlpam0925 said:

Haha, I'm actually coming around to the thought that the Phils sign neither. Bah. Humbug.

10 year contracts are never a good idea.  Has there ever been a good one?  Arod's first is probably the best.  That said, these guys are younger than almost everyone who has hit free agency, so hopefully there's less risk.

Cliffy6745 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Ha.
I think they overpay and he signs in Philly.  Franco gets traded to someone for a box of old cleats and then puts it all together.  

What constitutes an overpay?  10/300 seems like the base so is $350 overpay, $375?

I think since there was the 'stupid' comments from leadership that they go 5 mill a year higher than anyone else and go 10 years.  I think your 350 is a good guess.

F Me In The Brain said:

Cliffy6745 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

Ha.
I think they overpay and he signs in Philly.  Franco gets traded to someone for a box of old cleats and then puts it all together.  

What constitutes an overpay?  10/300 seems like the base so is $350 overpay, $375?

I think since there was the 'stupid' comments from leadership that they go 5 mill a year higher than anyone else and go 10 years.  I think your 350 is a good guess.

I think 10 and 350 would get it done for the Phillies and I would guess that you're probably right that that's about $50 mil above the next best offer, which yeah, anytime you're paying $50 mil more than the next offer, it's probably an overpay.

We shall see. Gonna be an interesting couple weeks.

That David Murphy dude (he still around?) predicted the Yanks would sign Machado for $395...lol, ain't happening dude.

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Haha, I'm actually coming around to the thought that the Phils sign neither. Bah. Humbug.

10 year contracts are never a good idea.  Has there ever been a good one?  Arod's first is probably the best.  That said, these guys are younger than almost everyone who has hit free agency, so hopefully there's less risk.

But didn't ARod's include a plethora of player options? Or are we talking about the Rangers contract?

I just get the feeling that neither player wants to really come here, it's not appealing at all, and the only way they come here is if they massively overpay in terms of AAV and years and/or giving a ton of control to the player in terms of options.

Yeah, the Rangers contract.  The one he opted out of then the Yankees gave him the bad 10 year contract.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think it is a terribly attractive destination, but I think their options are somewhat limited by the market.  They player is going to have a ton of control with multiple opt outs, which honestly, could be the best thing if you get like the next 3 or 4 years then they opt out.

Right - twist my arm. Hell, I'd be fine if they wanted to opt out after two years.

Right? It's not going to happen, but it has been floated offering a 2 year $90 or $100 mil contract. I love the idea They get $100 mil, and get to do it all over again at 28 when most good players hit free agency and the team gets what should be two of their best years. Lotta risk on both sides, which is why it won't happen, but I love it.

No long term commitment, but also if they have 1 bad year, you're screwed
The player should be able to make a ton more than they'd make off just one contract, but injuries, bad year, etc...
Gigantic AAV

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The ARod talk got me curious and went back to look at his Baseball Reference page - I can't believe he didn't win the MVP in '98. Not only did he not win but he came in 9th! That's crazy.

Dude, that's insanity. .310 with 42 home runs!  So many steroids on this list

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1998.shtml#all_AL_MVP_voting

How in the hell does Jeter finish 3rd on that list. He should have been like 10th.

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Haha, I'm actually coming around to the thought that the Phils sign neither. Bah. Humbug.

10 year contracts are never a good idea.  Has there ever been a good one?  Arod's first is probably the best.  That said, these guys are younger than almost everyone who has hit free agency, so hopefully there's less risk.

But didn't ARod's include a plethora of player options? Or are we talking about the Rangers contract?

I just get the feeling that neither player wants to really come here, it's not appealing at all, and the only way they come here is if they massively overpay in terms of AAV and years and/or giving a ton of control to the player in terms of options.

Yeah, the Rangers contract.  The one he opted out of then the Yankees gave him the bad 10 year contract.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think it is a terribly attractive destination, but I think their options are somewhat limited by the market.  They player is going to have a ton of control with multiple opt outs, which honestly, could be the best thing if you get like the next 3 or 4 years then they opt out.

Right - twist my arm. Hell, I'd be fine if they wanted to opt out after two years.

Right? It's not going to happen, but it has been floated offering a 2 year $90 or $100 mil contract. I love the idea They get $100 mil, and get to do it all over again at 28 when most good players hit free agency and the team gets what should be two of their best years. Lotta risk on both sides, which is why it won't happen, but I love it.

No long term commitment, but also if they have 1 bad year, you're screwed
The player should be able to make a ton more than they'd make off just one contract, but injuries, bad year, etc...
Gigantic AAV

If Machado signs here there is little chance he won't piss off the fan base at some point.  hope like hell you get 3-5 stud years from him then dump him to the yanks.

pjhawks said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

Haha, I'm actually coming around to the thought that the Phils sign neither. Bah. Humbug.

10 year contracts are never a good idea.  Has there ever been a good one?  Arod's first is probably the best.  That said, these guys are younger than almost everyone who has hit free agency, so hopefully there's less risk.

But didn't ARod's include a plethora of player options? Or are we talking about the Rangers contract?

I just get the feeling that neither player wants to really come here, it's not appealing at all, and the only way they come here is if they massively overpay in terms of AAV and years and/or giving a ton of control to the player in terms of options.

Yeah, the Rangers contract.  The one he opted out of then the Yankees gave him the bad 10 year contract.

Yeah, I mean, I don't think it is a terribly attractive destination, but I think their options are somewhat limited by the market.  They player is going to have a ton of control with multiple opt outs, which honestly, could be the best thing if you get like the next 3 or 4 years then they opt out.

Right - twist my arm. Hell, I'd be fine if they wanted to opt out after two years.

Right? It's not going to happen, but it has been floated offering a 2 year $90 or $100 mil contract. I love the idea They get $100 mil, and get to do it all over again at 28 when most good players hit free agency and the team gets what should be two of their best years. Lotta risk on both sides, which is why it won't happen, but I love it.

No long term commitment, but also if they have 1 bad year, you're screwed
The player should be able to make a ton more than they'd make off just one contract, but injuries, bad year, etc...
Gigantic AAV

If Machado signs here there is little chance he won't piss off the fan base at some point.  hope like hell you get 3-5 stud years from him then dump him to the yanks.

I don't think you are familiar with how the Yankees do business...pretty pretty sure if they won't give him 10 years to get the best years, they aren't taking the back end later on.

Cliffy6745 said:

Poncier said:

Cliffy6745 said:

Jearlpam0925 said:

The ARod talk got me curious and went back to look at his Baseball Reference page - I can't believe he didn't win the MVP in '98. Not only did he not win but he came in 9th! That's crazy.

Dude, that's insanity. .310 with 42 home runs!  So many steroids on this list

https://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1998.shtml#all_AL_MVP_voting

How in the hell does Jeter finish 3rd on that list. He should have been like 10th.

Average was a lot more important then?

There's 3 guys behind him with higher averages, 2 of them hit 40+ HR. All 3 more HR and RBI, all 3 at least 100 points higher OPS than Jeter. He must have serviced all the voters and sent them home with one of his patented Jeets gift baskets.

The Juggler said:

Gotta wait till 2019 now...

So Harper to the dodgers. You guys are gonna offer machado approximately half a billion