Ugh.

Headline from my local newspaper (main area of distribution is two counties with approx one million people.) Seems like  trump wasn’t wrong on this one: 

mcgruff10 said:

Headline from my local newspaper (main area of distribution is two counties with approx one million people.) Seems like  trump wasn’t wrong on this one: 

"Not bad in Your book" , right?

mcgruff10 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

mcgruff10 said:

Headline from my local newspaper (main area of distribution is two counties with approx one million people.) Seems like  trump wasn’t wrong on this one: 

"Not bad in Your book" , right?

Hey I call them like I see them, he was right. 
by the way, it was “my neck of the woods.”  When you want to use my own words use them right. 

No, it was "not bad in mY book".

njnancy said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

njnancy said:

And Trump doesn't care about any of this.

To be honest, I don’t eithrr.  Didn’t know or care about the dude before, don’t know or care about him now.

  Well, there isn't much left of him, so why bother about 'the dude'.  You are right in step with the President and the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

Now how about those children in cages - that bug you or you cool with that?

I hated it! I think it’s super messed up,  don’t tell me you actually think this wasn’t done before trump, do you?  Trump made it common practice, but Obama separated them also.  Where was the outrage when Obama did it?

brianlux said:

It's a great mystery to me that so many Americans think so highly of Trump.  A great and terrible mystery.

Here is one example:

The problem is that liberals think a large % of conservatives are all racist.   Let's look at immigration at the Southern Border.  Whether right or wrong, most conservatives look at illegal immigration and see:

1) Large tax dollars going to pay for medical and school benefits to immigrants when Americans have to pay their insurance and pay for their kids to go to school

2) Kids don't speak English and it is a strain on teachers in class

3) Like any population (white, black, brown, whatever) there are criminals that sneak across the border so they want it secured

4) Conservatives tend to want to enforce the laws on the books or otherwise left with chaos (like we have now)

If a conservative tries to talk about any of the four above, they are labeled a racist.  Of course there are alternative arguments to #1 through #4 above, but conservatives aren't against legal immigration so the fix in all of this is to make a secure border and speed up the legal immigration process.

So Trump comes along and they finally have a politician who doesn't label them a racist for wanting rule of law and a secure border.   They are willing to put up with Trump's disgusting rhetoric.  Someone on this board will come along and accuse me of being a racist for even posting this message and they don't know that careless behavior like that just pushes people more right and makes them significantly distrust any liberal. 

Liberals don't understand that their push for open borders paved the way for Trump.  It wasn't abortion.  It wasn't taxes.  It wasn't war mongering.  Liberals can have it all if they supported a secured border and the laws in place.   The Dems can then win presidency back and Congress and then actually change laws if they don't like them. 

bootlegger10 said:

Liberals don't understand that their push for open borders paved the way for Trump.  It wasn't abortion.  It wasn't taxes.  It wasn't war mongering.  Liberals can have it all if they supported a secured border and the laws in place.   The Dems can then win presidency back and Congress and then actually change laws if they don't like them. 

No one is calling for open borders. That is a talking point. There should be immigration reform, it is badly needed and overdue. We need to know who is coming into the country, how many, from where and steps for citizenship or worker visas. But there is no outcry over the Russian influx of women who fly into Florida and have their babies here so that they are US citizens, or the people from European countries who come in on work and school visas and overstay and just blend in. The outcry is over the brown people 'pouring into the country' on the Southern border. The vast majority of those people are seeking asylum from horrific conditions. Just like my grandparents did. 

Are we the country that has a Statue of Liberty that says '

Give me your tired, your poor, 
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, 
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. 
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me: 
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

That is what it says on the Statue of Liberty and that is how most of us got here - no matter how many generations we go back. Is that no longer the values of America when the scary brown people from the Middle East or Central America are running away from death and violence. We don't lift our lamp to them? But my Irish grandparents were welcomed? Doesn't seem to make any sense to me. There are bad people in every ethnic group. But every person in this country is an immigrant and was welcomed into this country. Only the Native Americans can say that they truly belong here and look at how they are treated. 

America is an idea and if we become a nation that no longer cares about those who are yearning for freedom, then we are no longer America. That dream is dead.

Immigration laws are needed and there is no call for open borders - I don't even know what that means. But we are becoming a country who has forgotten our purpose and Americans who were born here are forgetting that they are immigrants, just like the people who are running from danger. Why don't we use some of the money that we just gave to the ultra rich to help fix the problems in Central America instead of denigrating those people. Why don't we use a tiny portion of our military budget to solve the problems of these countries that have become so unsafe that people will walk 2000 miles. 

I do not want open borders but I do want to welcome the tempest tossed into our great country. 

cincybearcat said:

France gave us that statue to set us up for this immigration problem. Damn French 

The poem was actually added to the statue to try to get donations. 
So if Democrats aren’t for open borders why the apprehension for a wall? Why so down on ice when they help deport illegal citizens?

mrussel1 said:

mcgruff10 said:

cincybearcat said:

France gave us that statue to set us up for this immigration problem. Damn French 

The poem was actually added to the statue to try to get donations. 
So if Democrats aren’t for open borders why the apprehension for a wall? Why so down on ice when they help deport illegal citizens?

Because the wall isn't effective (there's already a third of the border with a wall), it's expensive,  and the symbolism is awful.  It's a gimmick for Trump,  just more marketing. 

How would putting up the other 2/3 not be effective to slowing down or stopping illegal immigration?