Donald Trump

dignin

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

I love a lot of people and they love me ( I think so anyways )

Hey man, are you okay? I've noticed your posts seem to be pretty down these days. Hope everythings okay in your world.

Bentleyspop

A true proud American president...

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1053070472219217920?s=19

 

my2hands

njnancy said:

And Trump doesn't care about any of this.

Neither do most Americans 

cincybearcat

Bentleyspop said:

A true proud American president...

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/1053070472219217920?s=19

 

Some of that is fair.  The comment on tweeting doesn't matter, unsure why it was included other than the guy just must hate Trump tweeting.

my2hands

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

Because I accept that it's all bullshit, and bad for me (thanks George Carlin)

The game is over. The gig is up. Has been for a while. Unplug. Disconnect. Now o just laugh, otherwise I would cry. Fuck it, lets go bowling dude

cincybearcat

josevolution said:

njnancy said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I've just been skimming many of the posts- only stopping to point out the silly, lower level ones like Unsung's who claims 'he hates liars' while tripping over himself to defend McDonald.

Things have gotten a bit more serious for me. Can someone please clarify the following for me:

1. Did the Saudis dismember an American resident from Virginia while he was still alive... with a bone saw?
2. Did the Saudis try and cover it up?
3. Did the Trump administration accept the promises of Saudi rulers to conduct their own investigation into the disappearance (despite Turkish assertions that prominent people in the royal court had ordered his execution)?

Thanks in advance.

1. They cut off his fingers while he was alive before beheading him.
2. Guy goes into the consulant and never comes out, Saudis are covering up what happened to him, so yes.
3. Yes and Team Trump Treason via Pompouso gave the Saudis a few more days to get their story straight.

Sad.

He was a Saudi with American residency who was engaged with 2 American children. 
He was told by the Saudi's that he needed paperwork to make it a legitimate marriage in their eyes.
He wanted to make things right with SA because, although he was a proponent of free speech and against the direction SA has taken, he struggled with loving being a Saudi living in self exile in order to speak truth to power. 

SA sent in a cleaning crew to the consulate before Turkey could send in their forensic people.
SA prevented Turkey from going to the consul general's home until last night and after they had brought the consul, his wife, his children and the housekeeper back to SA so there are no witnesses to interview.
There is proof that, besides the major cleaning, they repainted a wall in the consul general's home.

1. A forensic expert was sent to SA and entered the consulate with a bone saw, even though it is impossible to get a pointy car key into a consulate. 
2. The Saudi's said that he a - left the building then b - got cold feet about marriage and disappeared c - was possibly hurt/killed in an interrogation con wrong d- rogue SA people interrogated and killed him e - still have not given a straight answer except that MBS had nothing to do with it.
3. Trump and Pompeo tested out the rogue element excuse on the American public.
4. We knew that SA was planning something ahead of Kashoggi going to Turkey through our intelligence but did not tell him.
5. Trump has not looked or listened to the tapes that Turkey has yet, though intelligence has. 
6. The tapes purport that he was immediately taken to a room upon entering the consulate and was interrogated, had fingers cut off and beheaded while alive and the forensic expert told the other SA's that listening to music makes dismembering less unpleasant. He turned on music for himself - not known if they did. It appears that his body was taken from the consulate to the consul general's home for the dismemberment and possibly beheading. 
7. Pieces of his body  reportedly have been dumped all over Turkey.
8. Trump said today (he disappered on the 2nd) that it looks like Kashoggi was killed. Duh.
9. Nothing is done by SA without MBS's approval. Nothing. And we know this. 

The saddest thing about this gruesome incident is that he agreed to go to the consulate because he wanted to marry within SA guidelines, but it was just a ruse.

Trump is covering up with him because of SA's political importance in the MidEast and Jared's affection for MBS. The SA role is complicated and always has been but things have gotten worse since MBS has taken over from the ailing King. We should have denounced this immediately instead of trying to help them cover up such a heinous act done to an American resident on another foreign country's soil. 

Everythng Halifax said was correct, I just needed to get all the gruesome details out of my head and express my disbelief at how America has become a place that I do not recognize. 

Yep I agree 

reminds me of goodfellas...when Tommy thinks he is being "made" and they shoot him.

cincybearcat

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

There is plenty good in this world still.  Mostly good on a daily basis.  And I have a daughter who is the smartest, bestest kid ever that I want to be the 3rd Female US president.

ikiT

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

There is plenty good in this world still.  Mostly good on a daily basis.  And I have a daughter who is the smartest, bestest kid ever that I want to be the 3rd Female US president.

Amen.

The Juggler

I long for the days of a boring president. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Thirty Bills Unpaid

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

lol

I need to do a better job at writing (seriously). My apologies for not taking the time to accurately detail what I mean the first time around.

Have a good day.

OnWis97

Who is the most "boring" president most of us can remember?  I'd say George Bush the First (also the only one-term president unless you remember Carter).  I guess I'd take some of that "boring" over what is definitely not boring today.  That said, I don't think the president/referee analogy applies.  For better or worse, the POTUS (including this POtuS) is going to be the center of attention and it would be nice to aspire for that office to be a positive, not just a neutral, voice in leadership.  But right now?  Beggars can't be choosers.

cincybearcat

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

lol

I need to do a better job at writing (seriously). My apologies for not taking the time to accurately detail what I mean the first time around.

Have a good day.

Me too. I’m failing miserably today. And when the conversation is just 1:1 I can rebound quickly, but gets out a hand when more jump in. I’ll give myself a D, cause my effort is good otherwise a F today! 

Halifax2TheMax

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

lol

I need to do a better job at writing (seriously). My apologies for not taking the time to accurately detail what I mean the first time around.

Have a good day.

Me too. I’m failing miserably today. And when the conversation is just 1:1 I can rebound quickly, but gets out a hand when more jump in. I’ll give myself a D, cause my effort is good otherwise a F today! 

F is for Fryday.

my2hands

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

There is plenty good in this world still.  Mostly good on a daily basis.  And I have a daughter who is the smartest, bestest kid ever that I want to be the 3rd Female US president.

the modern news and politics is nothing short of toxic... turn it off, take a walk, say hello to your neighbor 

They are selling nothing but fear, sensationalism, celebrity worship, partisanship, and a toxic emphasis on negativity

njnancy

my2hands said:

cincybearcat said:

benjs said:

Honest question.. How do you guys find energy for this world and its bullshit anymore?

There is plenty good in this world still.  Mostly good on a daily basis.  And I have a daughter who is the smartest, bestest kid ever that I want to be the 3rd Female US president.

the modern news and politics is nothing short of toxic... turn it off, take a walk, say hello to your neighbor 

They are selling nothing but fear, sensationalism, celebrity worship, partisanship, and a toxic emphasis on negativity

Most people can talk a walk and also care about what is going on in the world. Maybe if you put your fingers in your ears and go lalala it helps; I prefer to be a person who cares when other people are abused and killed. Other people can become people you know or you in a heartbeat.

Trump is selling fear and negativity, his objective is to exhaust the country with the barrage of crap that he dumps. That way people will stop paying attention and he can do whatever he wants.  And I think that most people DO care about America becoming a better place and not spiraling into evil and apathy. 

And you continue to say to unplug, but yet here you are. So you are able to walk and chew gum just like me. 

oftenreading

Halifax2TheMax said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

cincybearcat said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The Juggler said:

I long for the days of a boring president. 

As a former college basketball player and long time coach... I can tell you that  an expression often said is as follows: the best referees officiate the game in such a way that you can't remember who was officiating at the end of the game.

In other words, they did their job so well that they left unnoticed and the game was not impacted by them (the teams fairly decided the outcome). 

A boring president would be a fantastic president.

I agree with the refs, but not a president. A president shouldn’t be a sideshow but he/she should be an inspiring leader. Can’t be boring, and we need to know there are there all the time. 

Semantics.

I was referring more to 'impact'. Strong referees display quiet confidence and they are decisive and proficient. Players and coaches accept their calls because they project proficiency with their stoicism. 

Stoicism is what the US currently lacks and desperately needs. Strong and confident are two words not synonymous with Trump. His leadership traits are exceptionally weak and because this is so... his leadership is as well.  

Perhaps semantics. I see your point. But while I didn’t agree with everything he did, Obama was a pretty good president in terms of leadership and enspiring (most of the time) and I would say he wouldn’t meet your definition of what you want.

Either way I understand what you mean and yes it would be refreshing for sure.

lol

I need to do a better job at writing (seriously). My apologies for not taking the time to accurately detail what I mean the first time around.

Have a good day.

Me too. I’m failing miserably today. And when the conversation is just 1:1 I can rebound quickly, but gets out a hand when more jump in. I’ll give myself a D, cause my effort is good otherwise a F today! 

F is for Fryday.

Oui oui.