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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,187
    PJ_Soul said:
    She had native ancestors 8 to 10 generations ago. She has talked about how this connection has been a multi-generational narrative in her family, which is highly believable, as this is very common. I actually assumed that is why she ever said anything about it in the first place before all this dumb shit started happening. She did not lie. Many people just feel that she needs a closer connection than that to mention it. I tend to agree, but not to a begrudging level; I'm sure she's embarrassed that her family has clearly been over-blowing the connection though.
    Saying she lied is, simply, a lie in itself.
    Not trying to argue here, just seriously curious- you don’t think it’s lying if she checked the “Native American” box on her application to Harvard when she has had a DNA test that shows she is 1/1024th Native American?
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited October 2018
    PJ_Soul said:
    I am pointing out facts. It's a fact that Warren's DNA test showed what I'm saying, not what you're saying. No, all Americans do not have as much of a trace of Native DNA as Warren. I am not claiming that she has enough to legitimately claim heritage - as I said, her family has clearly inflated it, unfortunately. She should have ignored Trump about this completely.
    “On average”...there is no significants to her findings above your typical white American is what I am saying.  No, not all Americans, but “on average”.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited October 2018
    Not trying to argue here, just seriously curious- you don’t think it’s lying if she checked the “Native American” box on her application to Harvard when she has had a DNA test that shows she is 1/1024th Native American?

    If she has Native American in her, it's just as legit as checking Spanish or Italian if she had one of those in her past. She didn't use it to 'get' anything, she was proud. And young and excited to find out this new part of her heritage. Is that so hard to believe?
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJPOWER said:
    “On average”...there is no significants to her findings above your typical white American is what I am saying.  No, not all Americans, but “on average”.
    As in, 'on average' Donald Trump lies 12 times a day?
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    edited October 2018
    PJPOWER said:
    “With respect to European Americans, the percentages are much more different than African Americans or Latinos, with European American genomes being 98.6 percent European, 0.19 percent African and 0.18 percent Native American. In general, the numbers seem to agree with what one would expect given the history of American colonization by Europeans and their interactions with African and Native Americans.”
    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/10/16/claims-that-us-is-a-genetic-melting-pot-appear-overblown-if-youre-white/


    Warren's results apparently show up to 1.5%. Also, you know that the 0.18% thing means that half of all European Americans have less than that, right? (yes, I see later you did acknowledge that).
    Anyway, I'm not arguing that she is all kinds of Native, lol. I've made that clear. I am, however, arguing that she didn't lie. As tbergs also pointed out. I've seen TONS of people make this mistake of trusting family oral history too, and letting that form their views about their heritage; it's natural - fortunately for them, they don't have Trump turning it into a bizarre racist attack.
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  • Who cares about Warren anyway? If the Democrats really think she has a shot at being President, they're more delusional than Trump himself. 
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    edited October 2018
    njnancy said:

    If she has Native American in her, it's just as legit as checking Spanish or Italian if she had one of those in her past. She didn't use it to 'get' anything, she was proud. And young and excited to find out this new part of her heritage. Is that so hard to believe?
    I'm not sure anyone should be checking off such things with such distance connections. I know I wouldn't. Hell, with my DNA test I found out that I am 18% Scandanavian, and I still don't ever reference that as part of my heritage... Although the reason behind that probably supports the Warren perspective. I don't mention that part of my heritage at all because it was never a part of my family's oral history at all. None of us knew about it until 2 years ago. It is absolutely the family history - the story - that has shaped my personal perspective on my heritage. That has FAR more impact than genetic content.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    Warren's results apparently show up to 1.5%. Also, you know that the 0.18% thing means that half of all European Americans have less than that, right?
    Anyway, I'm not arguing that she is all kinds of Native, lol. I've made that clear. I am, however, arguing that she didn't lie. As tbergs also pointed out. I've seen TONS of people make this mistake of trusting family oral history - fortunately for them, they don't have Trump turning it into a bizarre racist attack
    I wish people would be as passionate & precise about this as they are about Waren's DNA accuracy.
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    I'm precise when I say women are through giving a fuck about all things R including Trumpito. 

    It's gonna be a landslide.  Stupid.
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,187
    njnancy said:

    If she has Native American in her, it's just as legit as checking Spanish or Italian if she had one of those in her past. She didn't use it to 'get' anything, she was proud. And young and excited to find out this new part of her heritage. Is that so hard to believe?
    Oh ok.  That makes sense.  She was proud.  So she checked the Native American box on her application.  I didnt care about Elizabeth Warren before this and I still don’t now, but don’t be so thick headed- this was blatantly a bullshit attempt by her to gain ground by checking the box.  Did it help? I don’t know, they say it didn’t, but you can’t tell me that someone is so “proud” that when they’re 1/1000th Japanese but otherwise they’re 98% black that they say they’re Japanese? No one does that.  Just her.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    I'm not sure anyone should be checking off such things with such distance connections. I know I wouldn't. Hell, with my DNA test I found out that I am 18% Scandanavian, and I still don't ever reference that as part of my heritage... Although the reason behind that probably supports the Warren perspective. I don't mention that part of my heritage at all because it was never a part of my family's oral history at all. None of us knew about it until 2 years ago. It is absolutely the family history - the stories - that has shaped my personal perspective on my heritage. That has FAR more impact than genetic content.
    I didn't think of it in that perspective. I can definitely see that though. I've never done a DNA test (though we've done the dogs - it was a present for the boy) because I have the oral history of being mostly Irish, and German on my paternal grandfather's side - 2nd generation American for both. If I did a DNA test and found out I had Nordic roots - I would be generally upset - due to that being introduced into my DNA through Viking rampaging of Ireland, more likely than not. My son's insane father is 100% Irish but insists that he is a Viking (I know, red flag I missed). No family history spoken of except in his own deranged mind, although he is trying to get his son to believe it and carry this on. I may have to do a DNA test on him one day to stop hearing nonsense. 

    If I had a modicum of Native American blood, I would be very proud and I am sure that it would have been spoken of throughout my life. 

    Ancestry has to do with identity and if Warren's family had that identity being passed on, I could see being in school and liberal and feeling a connection with the land in which she now resides - hence, the checked box. YMMV
  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    Elizabeth Warren would make an excellent Vice President.
    Bernie Sanders should be who any R should be fearing.  The Dems have already adopted ALL his policies.

    tick tock motherfuckers
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    Oh ok.  That makes sense.  She was proud.  So she checked the Native American box on her application.  I didnt care about Elizabeth Warren before this and I still don’t now, but don’t be so thick headed- this was blatantly a bullshit attempt by her to gain ground by checking the box.  Did it help? I don’t know, they say it didn’t, but you can’t tell me that someone is so “proud” that when they’re 1/1000th Japanese but otherwise they’re 98% black that they say they’re Japanese? No one does that.  Just her.
    Good thing you aren't trying to argue and are just being curious - as in seeing what people's thoughts on the matter are. Got it.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    edited October 2018
    I don't think a Sanders/Warren ticket would have a hope in hell. I wish. But that would be more like guaranteeing that Trump gets his second term.
    If Sanders runs, he better find a serious moderate for a running mate.
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    PJ_Soul said:
    I don't think a Sanders/Warren ticket would have a hope in hell. I wish. But that would be more like guaranteeing that Trump gets his second term.
    If Sanders runs, he better find a serious moderate for a running mate.
    I forgot what he typed after I read tick tock, motherfuckers . Strange animosity. Sounds like the beginning of a Saw movie.
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    Tiki said:
    Elizabeth Warren would make an excellent Vice President.
    Bernie Sanders should be who any R should be fearing.  The Dems have already adopted ALL his policies.

    tick tock motherfuckers
    Hahahaha he couldn't beat Hillary.  
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,187
    njnancy said:
    Good thing you aren't trying to argue and are just being curious - as in seeing what people's thoughts on the matter are. Got it.
    Your son’s a Viking.  Got it.
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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057

    President Trump is presenting the Medal of Honor Wednesday to Sgt. Major John L. Canley, a retired member of the U.S. Marine Corps, on Wednesday. 

    Canley is being honored for his service during the Vietnam War in 1968, when he repeatedly rushed across dangerous terrain to carry his wounded comrades to safety, despite bearing wounds of his own. When his commanding officer was severely wounded, Canley took charge and led his fellow soldiers.

    Mr. Trump has emphasized honoring military members who sacrifice for the country, reiterating his commitment to defense spending and to veterans and their families. 

    Last week, however, the president suggested that Rep. Devin Nunes, a controversial conservative in Congress who heads the House Intelligence Committee, should get the Medal of Honor for defending him in the Russia probe. The president revised that to say perhaps it should be called the Medal of Freedom.

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  • ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,057
    Landslide
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  • njnancynjnancy Posts: 5,096
    edited October 2018
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    You mean she lies like Trump? Or how does she lie?

    But mocking sexual assault victims, that is still a right winged only thing right? Or does she do that too?

    Is she a republican presidential candidate in disguise?!
    I think BUH, BUH, BUH, BUH....Trump is the new BUH, BUH, BUH Hillary.  
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,674
    If you are going to compare who has lied way more on all different issues there is only one clear winner and its the Orange baffoon himself by a landslide it's not even close , and yes Warren fell into his trap she should just shut up at this point and let him just keep on insulting her his base loves him for it they love a bully sexual predator lying sack of shit ...Ah that felt good !
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  • It’s hilarious reading the repubs on here wringing their hands about Elizabeth Warren’s dna and their taxes while Team trump Treason excuses the Saudis for killing and dismembering a US resident journalist in their diplomatic consulant and Mitch McConnell complains that the deficit is due to entitlement spending after passing a $1.5 trillion tax cut that benefits the most wealthy. Remember, the tax cut would fund itself through 4%+ GDP growth every quarter for 10 years. Suckers. Waaaaaaaaaa, I want my country back. Hilarious.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,645
    If you are going to compare who has lied way more on all different issues there is only one clear winner and its the Orange baffoon himself by a landslide it's not even close , and yes Warren fell into his trap she should just shut up at this point and let him just keep on insulting her his base loves him for it they love a bully sexual predator lying sack of shit ...Ah that felt good !
    No kidding...trump is on a different level when it comes to lying.  Been doing it all his life.  It is literally the thing he is better at than anyone else.  
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,514
    Not trying to argue here, just seriously curious- you don’t think it’s lying if she checked the “Native American” box on her application to Harvard when she has had a DNA test that shows she is 1/1024th Native American?
    You are using the right wing 1/1024 ratio.  She wasn't that diluted.


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,229
    It’s hilarious reading the repubs on here wringing their hands about Elizabeth Warren’s dna and their taxes while Team trump Treason excuses the Saudis for killing and dismembering a US resident journalist in their diplomatic consulant and Mitch McConnell complains that the deficit is due to entitlement spending after passing a $1.5 trillion tax cut that benefits the most wealthy. Remember, the tax cut would fund itself through 4%+ GDP growth every quarter for 10 years. Suckers. Waaaaaaaaaa, I want my country back. Hilarious.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    You are using the right wing 1/1024 ratio.  She wasn't that diluted.


    She could be...or she could be on the other side of the scale.  To say that she wasn’t “that diluted” is just a guess.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 10,159
    I didn't see where it was ever proven she checked the Native American box on her Harvard application. Anyone know for sure? Either way, she is not a presidential candidate so who cares how this battle of stupidity goes with Trump. You can't win when the opponent is a classless POS.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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