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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,628
    mrussel1 said:
    This is how you bend the cost curve and create better quality of living (and not by simply throwing more money at it - which is a bizarre way to reduce cost in the first place) -

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/how-trumps-executive-order-could-save-lives-by-transforming-how-the-us-treats-kidney-disease/ar-AAEbt5C?li=BBnb7Kz


    So the solution to the cost curve is executive order, not legislation.  That's an interesting take on the role of government.  We don't like the bicameral Constitutional process, we like the monarch process.  
    Monarch is putting it too kindly. Authoritarian is more like it.
    You know how that works?   All an executive order is in this case is to tell a Department of the government (which he oversees) to move toward proposing and implementing rules accordingly.  And if you read you’ll notice the most pertinent quotes belong to Seema Verma who is brilliant.   So, yeah. A program carefully researched and crafted by his staff (as HHS reports to him) has turned into a directive for them to implement. And you have a problem with that?   Better we implement thousands of pages of shit in a vanity project that nobody had the chance to read and consider in depth nor had any chance to do what the purveyor claims it to do?

    But beside that, ignore the actual action for your preconceived disposition.   You’re actually criticizing help with kidney disease and streamlining organ donation.  Lol.  

    So going to the issue at hand - do you disagree with helping people with kidney disease treat their disease more effectively, provide a better quality of life and ultimately save the system money?  Or do you think this program won’t do that?  Please opine. 
    If your point is about a very specific issue, kidney disease, fine.  No problem.  If you're talking about bending the cost curve of healthcare in this country, then no, EO is not the way to go about it.  
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    mrussel1 said:
    This is how you bend the cost curve and create better quality of living (and not by simply throwing more money at it - which is a bizarre way to reduce cost in the first place) -

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/how-trumps-executive-order-could-save-lives-by-transforming-how-the-us-treats-kidney-disease/ar-AAEbt5C?li=BBnb7Kz


    So the solution to the cost curve is executive order, not legislation.  That's an interesting take on the role of government.  We don't like the bicameral Constitutional process, we like the monarch process.  
    Monarch is putting it too kindly. Authoritarian is more like it.
    You know how that works?   All an executive order is in this case is to tell a Department of the government (which he oversees) to move toward proposing and implementing rules accordingly.  And if you read you’ll notice the most pertinent quotes belong to Seema Verma who is brilliant.   So, yeah. A program carefully researched and crafted by his staff (as HHS reports to him) has turned into a directive for them to implement. And you have a problem with that?   Better we implement thousands of pages of shit in a vanity project that nobody had the chance to read and consider in depth nor had any chance to do what the purveyor claims it to do?

    But beside that, ignore the actual action for your preconceived disposition.   You’re actually criticizing help with kidney disease and streamlining organ donation.  Lol.  

    So going to the issue at hand - do you disagree with helping people with kidney disease treat their disease more effectively, provide a better quality of life and ultimately save the system money?  Or do you think this program won’t do that?  Please opine. 
    No, and I haven’t read up on the particulars and think it’s premature to assume it’s going to do all the things that you claim. That said, I hope it’s successful but I was taking issue with the general idea of using EOs to get things done, particularly after the intense criticism from Obama’s detractors when the repub house and senate blocked him from pretty much everything and he had to issue EOs to get shit done. Seems this could have been part of a healthcare bill that Team Trump Treason campaigned on being better and cheaper than Obamacare. 9 years on and still no repub alternative other than going to court to kick people off of health insurance. Wonder how effective this EO will be when less folks have health insurance? Let’s check back in a year or two, yes?
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    oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,822
    This is how you bend the cost curve and create better quality of living (and not by simply throwing more money at it - which is a bizarre way to reduce cost in the first place) -

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/how-trumps-executive-order-could-save-lives-by-transforming-how-the-us-treats-kidney-disease/ar-AAEbt5C?li=BBnb7Kz


    Most of that would not be necessary if the US had a functioning, integrated health care system. You'll notice that the comments are about how to pay for the necessary care and how to revamp an outdated system, not any actual progress in care. 
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    stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,358
    edited July 2019


    What the f**k?
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    RenfieldRenfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054


    What the f**k?
    🤢 🤮 
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,425
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,942
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,283
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
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    RenfieldRenfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
    What if we get dumber in 2020😩
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,283
    Renfield said:
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
    What if we get dumber in 2020😩
    I’d say we are doomed and I believe this country has enough idiots to vote for him again a 2nd term !
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    RenfieldRenfield NYC NY Posts: 1,054
    Renfield said:
    vaggar99 said:
    yep, we live in a pretty dumb country.
    But remember it’s the best dumb country!
    What if we get dumber in 2020😩
    I’d say we are doomed and I believe this country has enough idiots to vote for him again a 2nd term !
    I agree and live with dread that Trump will win again. 
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,942
    CM189191 said:

    Ideals.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793

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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,942
    https://youtu.be/v_zaeohJuCQ

    Some people on here voted for this man. And you know, share the same ideals.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,378
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,538
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 28,942
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




    @RYME still team trump?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,283
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




    @RYME still team trump?
    None of his supporters will even bat an eye about this as long as the economy is doing well !
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    BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Breaking news......the currently elected president (who some on here proudly voted for) is a racist, xenophobic, piece of shite.....




    @RYME still team trump?
    None of his supporters will even bat an eye about this as long as the economy is doing well !
    His supporters understand 3D chess.
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    Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,725
    This is so amazing to watch. It's from 2015. "You know how to make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell." Crazy how Graham and so many like him knelt down and sold their souls after Trump was elected. How can they live with themselves?

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    mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 28,628
    This is so amazing to watch. It's from 2015. "You know how to make America great again? Tell Donald Trump to go to hell." Crazy how Graham and so many like him knelt down and sold their souls after Trump was elected. How can they live with themselves?

    https://youtu.be/2bkDykGhM8c
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,840
    Lindsay Graham is the absolute worst.  I hate that guy.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,538
    It's a sad day in this  country where the behavior and the words of the currently elected president is not reacted to.... 

    Trump's most openly racist rhetoric yet is not at all surprising. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/trump-racist-tweets-progressive-democratic-congresswomen-aoc/index.html

    #ITMFA 

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,580
    It's a sad day in this  country where the behavior and the words of the currently elected president is not reacted to.... 

    Trump's most openly racist rhetoric yet is not at all surprising. https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/14/politics/trump-racist-tweets-progressive-democratic-congresswomen-aoc/index.html

    #ITMFA 

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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    edited July 2019

    When will the Radical Left Congresswomen apologize to our Country, the people of Israel and even to the Office of the President, for the foul language they have used, and the terrible things they have said. So many people are angry at them & their horrible & disgusting actions!

    #ITMFA

    and PROJECT much?


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    The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there. Posts: 47,248
    What a piece of shit
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    ikiTikiT USA Posts: 11,007
    ...and Mike Pence?   I mean come on bro.  

    We can actually see you.  #soontobereplaced
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    OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 4,822
    Trump is what Trump is.

    This isn't even about him anymore.  He is 100% reflective of the dominant party and, frankly, is a reflection of what we are.  That it's even possible (and, come on, it's probable) that he's going to win again, is all you need to know about America.  

    It's not about Trump.  It's about us.
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    cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,086
    By allowing trump to take over the party and falling in line behind him, it really seems like this is a case where the Republicans were thinking very short-term and "won the battle but lost the war".


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