$15 minimum wage

unsung · July 2018

mace1229 said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax. You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot. Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass. That's really a sad argument to make.

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong. You addressed the input. If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion. I'm not going to argue without you on this. But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.

I’ve never heard of anyone tipping in tax before. Let alone being called cheap for not doing it. I’d have to be with unsung in this one.
Seemed a few really jumped down his throat on this one too. He never said the computer gets the math wrong. He was making a statement about the automatic tip amount that are provided to customers, what is entered is beyond their control. When being presented with a bill and it gives options to tip 15, 18 or 20%, choosing to top on tax or not on those automated tips is never an option. It’s not a matter of “if you’re not smart enough....” in the example he was responding to.
I find him extreme in most examples, but I agree with Unsung on this one and the negative replies didn’t even address his point.

cheers.

unsung · July 2018

cincybearcat said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax. You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot. Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass. That's really a sad argument to make.

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong. You addressed the input. If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion. I'm not going to argue without you on this. But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.

Dude this is over the top harsh. It appears you are bringing in the posters other topic opinions to bash him on this one.

What he is saying isn’t thst bad....tipping on the cost of the food is pretty standard.

cheers to you as well

unsung · July 2018

I tip going in to a dinner at 20% and add or deduct from there based on the experience.

Since breakfast is cheaper I probably end up around 30% as long as nothing bad happens.

I always tip based on the pre tax subtotal.

cincybearcat · July 2018

unsung said:

I tip going in to a dinner at 20% and add or deduct from there based on the experience.

Since breakfast is cheaper I probably end up around 30% as long as nothing bad happens.

I always tip based on the pre tax subtotal.

You are on point in this one

1ThoughtKnown · July 2018

We have had $15 minimum wage here for a while and nothing changed. Just like when they legalize weed or when they eventually institute Guaranteed Income of $20,000, nothing will change.

People spend way to much time worried about the little things like this. The government does this stuff on purpose because they know it will cause debate and take everyone's eyes off what they are really doing.

Gtilley8 · July 2018

Talked to no less than 20 people today about tipping. Not one had ever heard of not tipping off the total bill. I get that it might be a thing in some places to subtract tax, but by no means is that the norm or even standard practice.

Bentleyspop · July 2018

unsung said:

I tip going in to a dinner at 20% and add or deduct from there based on the experience.

Since breakfast is cheaper I probably end up around 30% as long as nothing bad happens.

I always tip based on the pre tax subtotal.

Finally something we can agree on.
Why would anyone tip the fee that goes to the govt.?
The other night I went to dinner and the tab for the 2 of us was about $78 plus roughly 10% for the state and local govt. I rounded up to $100 putting the tip at close to 20%.
Very few people I know of tip on the total tab.
When you do the math it can be a little at a breakfast joint or a lot at a high end steak house.

oftenreading · July 2018

Sounds like it’s regional. I had never heard of not tipping off the total bill. That’s just standard anywhere I’ve gone.

mcgruff10 · July 2018

I tip based on the pretax. The tax added on the bill has nothing to do with the tip.

brianlux · July 2018

Tipping: it's kind of strange and confusing custom, isn't it? I do OK with the math but some people have difficulty with it. And there is no set percentage or pre- or post-tax standard. Some say 15%, some say 20%. Some say before tax, some say after. Seems to me it would be a whole lot easier if people were paid a decent wage for the work they do and they either perform well enough to maintain their job, or very well enough to be promoted, or poorly enough to be let go.

I'm kidding (sort of) when I say this, but I think this is yet another example of how left brained people like to manipulate how the world is run. But then I'm a bit more right brained, so I could be full of water color, stream of consciousness and guitar feedback.

mace1229 · July 2018

brianlux said:

Tipping: it's kind of strange and confusing custom, isn't it? I do OK with the math but some people have difficulty with it. And there is no set percentage or pre- or post-tax standard. Some say 15%, some say 20%. Some say before tax, some say after. Seems to me it would be a whole lot easier if people were paid a decent wage for the work they do and they either perform well enough to maintain their job, or very well enough to be promoted, or poorly enough to be let go.

I'm kidding (sort of) when I say this, but I think this is yet another example of how left brained people like to manipulate how the world is run. But then I'm a bit more right brained, so I could be full of water color, stream of consciousness and guitar feedback.

Completely agree.
Not only is how much we tip not a standard across the board as you pointed out, but who and why we tip doesn’t make sense to me. And I’m not clear on even when is tipping expected. Do I tip the restaurant that has me order at the counter and call my name when it’s ready? They ask me for a tip when I place my order.
We tip taxis, food industry, tour guides, hotel staff and many many others. But I doubt anyone tips their dr when they make a life-saving diagnosis, or a cop or fireman that risks his life to save yours.
As a teacher I’ve never once been tipped, butnparents sure expect me to use my own personal time to tutor that kids (which I often do) that would cost $50 through an average company. But I did have a parent complain to admin that I was not available at 5:30 on a Friday (school got out at 3:20).
Tipping makes no sense to me. Don’t get me wrong, I tip what I believe is expected, I just don’t get the logic behind it.

brianlux · July 2018

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Tipping: it's kind of strange and confusing custom, isn't it? I do OK with the math but some people have difficulty with it. And there is no set percentage or pre- or post-tax standard. Some say 15%, some say 20%. Some say before tax, some say after. Seems to me it would be a whole lot easier if people were paid a decent wage for the work they do and they either perform well enough to maintain their job, or very well enough to be promoted, or poorly enough to be let go.

I'm kidding (sort of) when I say this, but I think this is yet another example of how left brained people like to manipulate how the world is run. But then I'm a bit more right brained, so I could be full of water color, stream of consciousness and guitar feedback.

Completely agree.
Not only is how much we tip not a standard across the board as you pointed out, but who and why we tip doesn’t make sense to me. And I’m not clear on even when is tipping expected. Do I tip the restaurant that has me order at the counter and call my name when it’s ready? They ask me for a tip when I place my order.
We tip taxis, food industry, tour guides, hotel staff and many many others. But I doubt anyone tips their dr when they make a life-saving diagnosis, or a cop or fireman that risks his life to save yours.
As a teacher I’ve never once been tipped, butnparents sure expect me to use my own personal time to tutor that kids (which I often do) that would cost $50 through an average company. But I did have a parent complain to admin that I was not available at 5:30 on a Friday (school got out at 3:20).
Tipping makes no sense to me. Don’t get me wrong, I tip what I believe is expected, I just don’t get the logic behind it.

Well said, Mace. It's a bit confusing at times.

And I too tip because I get that the tip money is part of the employees' wages.

It must kind of suck to be under pressure to make wages that rely on tips as well. It's hard enough when you're self-employed and trying to generate income that is not consistent but when you have to do that at the whims of an increasingly difficult to deal with species-- the public-- that's got to be seriously stressful sometimes. I'd rather know what my pay is going to be at the end of the day and know that my rewards for hard work will come in raises or promotions like they do in any other job.

And I'm also curious as to what's up with tip jars showing up at so many counters where they once were not seen. Is there justification for this and if so, when and why?

mcgruff10 · July 2018

Check that I messed up: I tip based on the total bill after taxes. No clue why I said that. I am a 20% standard and 25% for exceptional service. And I usually throw 30% for breakfast since it is so inexpensive.

cincybearcat · July 2018

I tip whatever I feel is appropriate based on the cost and the service. I honestly couldn't tell you if it pre-tax, post-tax and I'm sure it varies.

I want to know where you all go for breakfast

rgambs · July 2018

I would feel cheap worrying about tax when tipping on a good meal with good service. Not saying it's wrong, but I would feel like a cheap and petty nigard.
You get a 50$ food bill, your dine-in tax is, what, 10%? So that's 5 dollars that you aren't tipping, you just saved a dollar. Whoop. Dee. Fucking. Doo.
That would make me feel cheap and I'd want to give that server the extra dollar just out of the guilt of pettiness.

Now, if you go 5 star or treat the whole family and your bill is a few hundred dollars, that's a different story, but what's another 10$-20$ on top of a bill that large anyways? I'd still feel cheap lol

rgambs · July 2018

I must say though, in terms of philosophy, I agree with not tipping the tax. It makes sense not to, but I couldn't do it.
I will never be rich because I have a wacky belief (more like just a feeling in my gut) that being cheap, stingy, or greedy comes back to bite you in a karmic kind of way.

For instance, I never save roaches anymore, I feel like the universe might make the next bud hard to find if I quibble over a little bit of burnt remnants. I toss them and hope that somehow that act promotes good will. If I thought too hard about it I could make the same argument about being wasteful lol

Meltdown99 · July 2018

Wouldn't make feel cheap. The waiter/waitress is getting 20-25 dollar tip on a meal. Thats not to shabby ...

In Ontario many are no longer tipping since minimum wage climbed to too 14/hour. That's a fair wage.

Bentleyspop · July 2018

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Tipping: it's kind of strange and confusing custom, isn't it? I do OK with the math but some people have difficulty with it. And there is no set percentage or pre- or post-tax standard. Some say 15%, some say 20%. Some say before tax, some say after. Seems to me it would be a whole lot easier if people were paid a decent wage for the work they do and they either perform well enough to maintain their job, or very well enough to be promoted, or poorly enough to be let go.

I'm kidding (sort of) when I say this, but I think this is yet another example of how left brained people like to manipulate how the world is run. But then I'm a bit more right brained, so I could be full of water color, stream of consciousness and guitar feedback.

Completely agree.
Not only is how much we tip not a standard across the board as you pointed out, but who and why we tip doesn’t make sense to me. And I’m not clear on even when is tipping expected. Do I tip the restaurant that has me order at the counter and call my name when it’s ready? They ask me for a tip when I place my order.
We tip taxis, food industry, tour guides, hotel staff and many many others. But I doubt anyone tips their dr when they make a life-saving diagnosis, or a cop or fireman that risks his life to save yours.
As a teacher I’ve never once been tipped, butnparents sure expect me to use my own personal time to tutor that kids (which I often do) that would cost $50 through an average company. But I did have a parent complain to admin that I was not available at 5:30 on a Friday (school got out at 3:20).
Tipping makes no sense to me. Don’t get me wrong, I tip what I believe is expected, I just don’t get the logic behind it.

You're right teachers don't get tipped.

But I have seen for myself how at holiday time and the end of the year, teachers at a Boulder Valley
K-8 get upwards of a $1000+ in gift cards from REI, Target, Starbucks, etc. from their students/families.
That's an extra 2 grand a year plus. Not a 15-20% gratuity but still a tidy little bonus for the teachers.

mcgruff10 · July 2018

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Tipping: it's kind of strange and confusing custom, isn't it? I do OK with the math but some people have difficulty with it. And there is no set percentage or pre- or post-tax standard. Some say 15%, some say 20%. Some say before tax, some say after. Seems to me it would be a whole lot easier if people were paid a decent wage for the work they do and they either perform well enough to maintain their job, or very well enough to be promoted, or poorly enough to be let go.

I'm kidding (sort of) when I say this, but I think this is yet another example of how left brained people like to manipulate how the world is run. But then I'm a bit more right brained, so I could be full of water color, stream of consciousness and guitar feedback.

Completely agree.
Not only is how much we tip not a standard across the board as you pointed out, but who and why we tip doesn’t make sense to me. And I’m not clear on even when is tipping expected. Do I tip the restaurant that has me order at the counter and call my name when it’s ready? They ask me for a tip when I place my order.
We tip taxis, food industry, tour guides, hotel staff and many many others. But I doubt anyone tips their dr when they make a life-saving diagnosis, or a cop or fireman that risks his life to save yours.
As a teacher I’ve never once been tipped, butnparents sure expect me to use my own personal time to tutor that kids (which I often do) that would cost $50 through an average company. But I did have a parent complain to admin that I was not available at 5:30 on a Friday (school got out at 3:20).
Tipping makes no sense to me. Don’t get me wrong, I tip what I believe is expected, I just don’t get the logic behind it.

You're right teachers don't get tipped.

But I have seen for myself how at holiday time and the end of the year, teachers at a Boulder Valley
K-8 get upwards of a $1000+ in gift cards from REI, Target, Starbucks, etc. from their students/families.
That's an extra 2 grand a year plus. Not a 15-20% gratuity but still a tidy little bonus for the teachers.

daaaaaaaaaamn. I get a few dunkin doughnuts gift cards around the holidays.

mace1229 · July 2018

Bentleyspop said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Tipping: it's kind of strange and confusing custom, isn't it? I do OK with the math but some people have difficulty with it. And there is no set percentage or pre- or post-tax standard. Some say 15%, some say 20%. Some say before tax, some say after. Seems to me it would be a whole lot easier if people were paid a decent wage for the work they do and they either perform well enough to maintain their job, or very well enough to be promoted, or poorly enough to be let go.

I'm kidding (sort of) when I say this, but I think this is yet another example of how left brained people like to manipulate how the world is run. But then I'm a bit more right brained, so I could be full of water color, stream of consciousness and guitar feedback.

Completely agree.
Not only is how much we tip not a standard across the board as you pointed out, but who and why we tip doesn’t make sense to me. And I’m not clear on even when is tipping expected. Do I tip the restaurant that has me order at the counter and call my name when it’s ready? They ask me for a tip when I place my order.
We tip taxis, food industry, tour guides, hotel staff and many many others. But I doubt anyone tips their dr when they make a life-saving diagnosis, or a cop or fireman that risks his life to save yours.
As a teacher I’ve never once been tipped, butnparents sure expect me to use my own personal time to tutor that kids (which I often do) that would cost $50 through an average company. But I did have a parent complain to admin that I was not available at 5:30 on a Friday (school got out at 3:20).
Tipping makes no sense to me. Don’t get me wrong, I tip what I believe is expected, I just don’t get the logic behind it.

You're right teachers don't get tipped.

But I have seen for myself how at holiday time and the end of the year, teachers at a Boulder Valley
K-8 get upwards of a $1000+ in gift cards from REI, Target, Starbucks, etc. from their students/families.
That's an extra 2 grand a year plus. Not a 15-20% gratuity but still a tidy little bonus for the teachers.

Totally depends where you work. I know teachers in high end area that maybe get a few hundred bucks at Christmas time, not $1000, but I’m sure somewhere it happens.
But one, that’s different than tipping. It’s a present for the holidays. The parents usually aren’t giving them because we stayed an extra hour working with their kid, it’s just a holiday present. Usually from the best kids in class who they rarely have to put extra effort in.
But most teachers are like myself, work in average or below average districts and don’t get that. In 12 years I’ve only had 1 gift card. It was $25 for JC Penney my second year teaching. I’ll get home baked cookies and treats as holiday presents. Often handed to me with bare hands so the sanitary conditions are questionable, but I always appreciate the gesture.
But I wouldn’t call those tips.

$15 minimum wage

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