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Meltdown99

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

tbergs

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

I can't imagine a society where we have banned people from driving but 2A is still be used to advocate for every last person's right to own a gun. That Braveheart line would need a re-working..."They may take away our cars, but they'll never take our guns!"

tempo_n_groove

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

Watch that kids movie Wall.E

That is what the world will become eventually.

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

My brother and I had this debate the last few times we saw each other.
What you said is true only to some extent. Safety will trump individual rights, but slowly and within reason. What I mean is if they came out with a driverless car today that was 100% safe, zero chance for any accident, and even cured cancer while you drive, there would still be driver cars for decades.
The reason is not everyone can go out and buy one, and the government knows that. The people who buy a 1985 Honda for $300 and drive it until it does because that’s all they can afford won’t have the option to go driverless.
The people who just invested 80k into a new top of the model family car won’t accept a ban on their new car.
There may be a point where driver cars are banned, but it won’t be in my lifetime.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

My brother and I had this debate the last few times we saw each other.
What you said is true only to some extent. Safety will trump individual rights, but slowly and within reason. What I mean is if they came out with a driverless car today that was 100% safe, zero chance for any accident, and even cured cancer while you drive, there would still be driver cars for decades.
The reason is not everyone can go out and buy one, and the government knows that. The people who buy a 1985 Honda for $300 and drive it until it does because that’s all they can afford won’t have the option to go driverless.
The people who just invested 80k into a new top of the model family car won’t accept a ban on their new car.
There may be a point where driver cars are banned, but it won’t be in my lifetime.

Of course such a change won't happen quickly, as I specifically stated in my other post. But it will happen, barring a huge slide backwards for civilization in general of course. If Western civilization takes a huge tumble due to natural or man-made catastrophe(s), then the game changes, obviously, and we'll be lucky to find a gallon of gas to put in a scavenged 1981 Honda Civic while we keep trying to outrun the cannibal hordes, lol.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while.  My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

Meltdown99

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

Watch that kids movie Wall.E

That is what the world will become eventually.

I have to look for that movie.  Thanks for the tip.

Meltdown99

When electric cars are available to masses, then maybe driverless cars cab enter the discussion.  Neither will reach the masses in our lifetime.  The major auto companies are not exactly pumping out electric vehicles...why?  because, unlike Tesla they know they can not reach the masses affordably without the government subsidies...

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

When electric cars are available to masses, then maybe driverless cars cab enter the discussion.  Neither will reach the masses in our lifetime.  The major auto companies are not exactly pumping out electric vehicles...why?  because, unlike Tesla they know they can not reach the masses affordably without the government subsidies...

  Electriccars will absolutely reach the masses in our lifetime (unless you are a lot older than I think you are!). Car manufacturers are already beginning to plan the end of gas vehicle production - some of the first major companies will be done with them within 5 years from now. Change happens fast sometimes. Imagine what the people with the horses and buggies were thinking about cars. Probably about the same thing you're saying about electric cars and driverless. But how soon after the model-T came to be did cars become ubiquitous? About 20 years.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while.  My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while.  My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.

And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff.  Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid.  Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers).  You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while.  My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.

And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff.  Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid.  Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers).  You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.

What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change. 

1ThoughtKnown

You two fight on every thread?

cincybearcat

1ThoughtKnown said:

You two fight on every thread?

They are crushing hard

RoleModelsinBlood31

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while.  My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.

And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff.  Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid.  Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers).  You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.

What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change. 

Quoting yourself is a sign that you should stop drinking:)

Meltdown99

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Meltdown99 said:

None of the people on these forums will likely be alive when/IF driverless car technology ever reach the masses.  No, government will not ban people from driving ... and ANYONE who wants a ban on people driving can move to China.  Quit giving so much control to government.

If driving is deemed dangerous in a driverless system, the government absolutely will ban it. Public safety trumps individual rights every time. It does now and it will continue to do so. It's simply about transportation technology and infrastructure combined with public safety, just like it works now. This really doesn't have any impact at all on the level of the government's control. There are plenty of vehicles that you can't legally drive on our roads now.

Quit giving governnment control over your life...

I will not give up DRIVING...I happen to enjoy getting in my jeep and going for nice drive every once in while.  My wheels is my freedom...

Yes, many people die in traffic accidents daily ... thats a risk us drivers are willing to take.

I don't give a flying fuck if you enjoy driving. That has absolutely nothing to do with anything. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed riding horses everywhere back in 1897 too, but that didn't stop cars from coming along. And I don't know what in the world you think driverless is all about, but it certainly doesn't limit your freedom. But in any case, that part of your thinking is completely moot. We've already established that a complete take-over by driverless technology is too far down the road for your feelings about driving to matter to a single soul.
Driverless isn't only about safety. It is also about congestion. In fact, that is the MAIN purpose of driverless. Once driverless takes over, traffic jams will essentially be a thing of the past. And given how fast the world's population is growing and is expected to grow, that is going to be a literal necessity.

And I don't give a rats ass about people like you who want to turn control over their life to politicians like fluff.  Quit relying on the government to make decisions for you...and your horse analogy is fucking stupid.  Who the fuck would choose a horse over a heated car in Canada'a winter...only a fool or out of necessity (like ranchers).  You want rid of congestion quit inviting everyone in through fluffs open border policy...people cause congestion.

What are you talking about with this government control bullshit? The government actually has nothing to do with it beyond following the lead of private corporations man. The government will simply make what private corporations will drive feasible by funding infrastructure and creating generally common sense laws to match the reality of change. It will just be the same as when cars came along - the cars were made, people bought them, it became more popular, and THEN government came along to facilitate it with a road infrastructure and some traffic laws.
My analogy may sound stupid, but it is factually based. There was a LOT of kickback when cars came along. People JUST LIKE YOU were against the rise of the automobile. Their minds were not open to change. 

Quoting yourself is a sign that you should stop drinking:)

Yes, lay off the booze.

brianlux

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles.  My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving.  Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers?  If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before.  I honestly believe that.

tempo_n_groove

cincybearcat said:

1ThoughtKnown said:

You two fight on every thread?

They are crushing hard

Soul likes to argue.  I love that!

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Interesting discussion about driver-less vehicles.  My own take is that (at least in America, if not some other countries) we are super addicted to driving.  Why else would such a high percentage of cars have single drivers?  If the government tired to ban driving, we would see a shit storm of rioting and protest like this country has never seen before.  I honestly believe that.

I agree wth a 100%.  The automobile culture in Canada and States is alive and welI. I myself would never give up my right to drive.  However, this discussion is moot, I doubt any of us will be around to see driverless car take hold in any meaningful way.