$15 minimum wage

Gtilley8

brianlux said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I thought we were talking about what is considered a "standard tip" amount.  Personally, I'm a high end tipper.  Maybe I should have made that clear.  I know how hard restaurant employees work. I know most are underpaid restaurant workers are and if they give good service, they deserve a good tip.  If I get really bad service and the server has attitude, they get a low tip.  If I get mediocre service with little friendliness, I  tip standard because anything else would be rude. If I get good service, I give more than the basic tip and if I get great service, I give generously.  The other thing I do, because I work (literally) on Main Street, is talk up good eateries in our area to our bookstore customers.  The Bookery is a source of some of the best free restaurant advertising in Placerville.  We really support our better restaurants, big time.

As for taking sides, I'm on the planet's side.  Earth first.

Ok, maybe I misunderstood what it was you were saying.  I know you're on the Earth's side.  No harm no foul.  

brianlux

Gtilley8 said:

brianlux said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I thought we were talking about what is considered a "standard tip" amount.  Personally, I'm a high end tipper.  Maybe I should have made that clear.  I know how hard restaurant employees work. I know most are underpaid restaurant workers are and if they give good service, they deserve a good tip.  If I get really bad service and the server has attitude, they get a low tip.  If I get mediocre service with little friendliness, I  tip standard because anything else would be rude. If I get good service, I give more than the basic tip and if I get great service, I give generously.  The other thing I do, because I work (literally) on Main Street, is talk up good eateries in our area to our bookstore customers.  The Bookery is a source of some of the best free restaurant advertising in Placerville.  We really support our better restaurants, big time.

As for taking sides, I'm on the planet's side.  Earth first.

Ok, maybe I misunderstood what it was you were saying.  I know you're on the Earth's side.  No harm no foul.  

:plus_one:

mace1229

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I’ve never heard of anyone tipping in tax before. Let alone being called cheap for not doing it. I’d have to be with unsung in this one.
Seemed a few really jumped down his throat on this one too. He never said the computer gets the math wrong. He was making a statement about the automatic tip amount that are provided to customers, what is entered is beyond their control. When being presented with a bill and it gives options to tip 15, 18 or 20%, choosing to top on tax or not on those automated tips is never an option. It’s not a matter of “if you’re not smart enough....” in the example he was responding to.
I find him extreme in most examples, but I agree with Unsung on this one and the negative replies didn’t even address his point.

cincybearcat

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

Dude this is over the top harsh. It appears you are bringing in the posters other topic opinions to bash him on this one.

What he is saying isn’t thst bad....tipping on the cost of the food is pretty standard.  

cincybearcat

brianlux said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I thought we were talking about what is considered a "standard tip" amount.  Personally, I'm a high end tipper.  Maybe I should have made that clear.  I know how hard restaurant employees work. I know most are underpaid restaurant workers are and if they give good service, they deserve a good tip.  If I get really bad service and the server has attitude, they get a low tip.  If I get mediocre service with little friendliness, I  tip standard because anything else would be rude. If I get good service, I give more than the basic tip and if I get great service, I give generously.  The other thing I do, because I work (literally) on Main Street, is talk up good eateries in our area to our bookstore customers.  The Bookery is a source of some of the best free restaurant advertising in Placerville.  We really support our better restaurants, big time.

As for taking sides, I'm on the planet's side.  Earth first.

Why do you fee the need to call yourself a “high end tipper”?  Some of the most annoying people in this world are the ones thst like to put other people down for tipping. I do wish thebemlloyees we’re just paid a standard wage and thst tipping was truly for above and beyond service. The fact that a tip is expected and there can be too small a tip is just stupid.

Gtilley8

cincybearcat said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

Dude this is over the top harsh. It appears you are bringing in the posters other topic opinions to bash him on this one.

What he is saying isn’t thst bad....tipping on the cost of the food is pretty standard.  

Ok, you're probably correct in that assessment.  

unsung

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

You're a peach.  Taxation is theft, you don't tip based on the govt cut.  You tip based on the food and service.

And again the calc is wrong if the input is wrong.

Bentleyspop

unsung said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

You're a peach.  Taxation is theft, you don't tip based on the govt cut.  You tip based on the food and service.

And again the calc is wrong if the input is wrong.

Whenever you say "tax is theft" you remind me of Chris Rock.

https://youtu.be/5dO83yu-IFs

tbergs

Meltdown99 said:

In Ontario with new 14/hour minimum I've spoken to many people now who say the forgo tipping.  

That's just ridiculous and cheap. Make your own food and do your own dishes then.

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I thought we were talking about what is considered a "standard tip" amount.  Personally, I'm a high end tipper.  Maybe I should have made that clear.  I know how hard restaurant employees work. I know most are underpaid restaurant workers are and if they give good service, they deserve a good tip.  If I get really bad service and the server has attitude, they get a low tip.  If I get mediocre service with little friendliness, I  tip standard because anything else would be rude. If I get good service, I give more than the basic tip and if I get great service, I give generously.  The other thing I do, because I work (literally) on Main Street, is talk up good eateries in our area to our bookstore customers.  The Bookery is a source of some of the best free restaurant advertising in Placerville.  We really support our better restaurants, big time.

As for taking sides, I'm on the planet's side.  Earth first.

Why do you fee the need to call yourself a “high end tipper”?  Some of the most annoying people in this world are the ones thst like to put other people down for tipping. I do wish thebemlloyees we’re just paid a standard wage and thst tipping was truly for above and beyond service. The fact that a tip is expected and there can be too small a tip is just stupid.

OK, what I said sounded arrogant as hell and I did not mean to be annoying, let alone to be one of the most annoying people in the world!  And I'm sorry if you interpreted what I said as putting other people down.  That was not my intent.

What I mean is that I try to be conscientious with tipping and, when called for generous.  Service work is difficult and often underpaid.  I've done enough of it in my life to know. 

Meltdown99

tbergs said:

Meltdown99 said:

In Ontario with new 14/hour minimum I've spoken to many people now who say the forgo tipping.  

That's just ridiculous and cheap. Make your own food and do your own dishes then.

No it's not.  And I never said that was me.  Do you tip every single person in the service industry.  If you say you do, I call bullshit.  Why should people tip a waitress/waiter making 14/ as opposed to the cashier at wal mart...both are on their feet all-day.

cincybearcat

tbergs said:

Meltdown99 said:

In Ontario with new 14/hour minimum I've spoken to many people now who say the forgo tipping.  

That's just ridiculous and cheap. Make your own food and do your own dishes then.

In other counties where wages are higher ... “livable minimum wage” they don’t tip. Why would it be different if wages were raised to that level in the US or Canada?

cincybearcat

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I thought we were talking about what is considered a "standard tip" amount.  Personally, I'm a high end tipper.  Maybe I should have made that clear.  I know how hard restaurant employees work. I know most are underpaid restaurant workers are and if they give good service, they deserve a good tip.  If I get really bad service and the server has attitude, they get a low tip.  If I get mediocre service with little friendliness, I  tip standard because anything else would be rude. If I get good service, I give more than the basic tip and if I get great service, I give generously.  The other thing I do, because I work (literally) on Main Street, is talk up good eateries in our area to our bookstore customers.  The Bookery is a source of some of the best free restaurant advertising in Placerville.  We really support our better restaurants, big time.

As for taking sides, I'm on the planet's side.  Earth first.

Why do you fee the need to call yourself a “high end tipper”?  Some of the most annoying people in this world are the ones thst like to put other people down for tipping. I do wish thebemlloyees we’re just paid a standard wage and thst tipping was truly for above and beyond service. The fact that a tip is expected and there can be too small a tip is just stupid.

OK, what I said sounded arrogant as hell and I did not mean to be annoying, let alone to be one of the most annoying people in the world!  And I'm sorry if you interpreted what I said as putting other people down.  That was not my intent.

What I mean is that I try to be conscientious with tipping and, when called for generous.  Service work is difficult and often underpaid.  I've done enough of it in my life to know. 

Wasn’t meaning to call you annoying. Just saying you shouldn’t have to feel like you must justify yourself to the annoying people.

Gtilley8

unsung said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

You're a peach.  Taxation is theft, you don't tip based on the govt cut.  You tip based on the food and service.

And again the calc is wrong if the input is wrong.

Thanks!  

Taxation is theft?  Is there waste?  Sure.  But it's also part of the social pact.  You can't hardly look around anywhere and not see the fruits of tax dollars and their positive effect on society.  Roads, public schools, grants to universities that have furthered scientific and medical knowledge.  I'll just never get that mindset.  

brianlux

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

cincybearcat said:

brianlux said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

I thought we were talking about what is considered a "standard tip" amount.  Personally, I'm a high end tipper.  Maybe I should have made that clear.  I know how hard restaurant employees work. I know most are underpaid restaurant workers are and if they give good service, they deserve a good tip.  If I get really bad service and the server has attitude, they get a low tip.  If I get mediocre service with little friendliness, I  tip standard because anything else would be rude. If I get good service, I give more than the basic tip and if I get great service, I give generously.  The other thing I do, because I work (literally) on Main Street, is talk up good eateries in our area to our bookstore customers.  The Bookery is a source of some of the best free restaurant advertising in Placerville.  We really support our better restaurants, big time.

As for taking sides, I'm on the planet's side.  Earth first.

Why do you fee the need to call yourself a “high end tipper”?  Some of the most annoying people in this world are the ones thst like to put other people down for tipping. I do wish thebemlloyees we’re just paid a standard wage and thst tipping was truly for above and beyond service. The fact that a tip is expected and there can be too small a tip is just stupid.

OK, what I said sounded arrogant as hell and I did not mean to be annoying, let alone to be one of the most annoying people in the world!  And I'm sorry if you interpreted what I said as putting other people down.  That was not my intent.

What I mean is that I try to be conscientious with tipping and, when called for generous.  Service work is difficult and often underpaid.  I've done enough of it in my life to know. 

Wasn’t meaning to call you annoying. Just saying you shouldn’t have to feel like you must justify yourself to the annoying people.

Got it!  Thanks for clarifying!

Halifax2TheMax

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

You're a peach.  Taxation is theft, you don't tip based on the govt cut.  You tip based on the food and service.

And again the calc is wrong if the input is wrong.

Thanks!  

Taxation is theft?  Is there waste?  Sure.  But it's also part of the social pact.  You can't hardly look around anywhere and not see the fruits of tax dollars and their positive effect on society.  Roads, public schools, grants to universities that have furthered scientific and medical knowledge.  I'll just never get that mindset.  

You can’t reason with the livestock for your daughter crowd. Stop trying.

tbergs

cincybearcat said:

tbergs said:

Meltdown99 said:

In Ontario with new 14/hour minimum I've spoken to many people now who say the forgo tipping.  

That's just ridiculous and cheap. Make your own food and do your own dishes then.

In other counties where wages are higher ... “livable minimum wage” they don’t tip. Why would it be different if wages were raised to that level in the US or Canada?

Until that change becomes the norm or a part of the culture here, then I would expect to tip.

tbergs

Meltdown99 said:

tbergs said:

Meltdown99 said:

In Ontario with new 14/hour minimum I've spoken to many people now who say the forgo tipping.  

That's just ridiculous and cheap. Make your own food and do your own dishes then.

No it's not.  And I never said that was me.  Do you tip every single person in the service industry.  If you say you do, I call bullshit.  Why should people tip a waitress/waiter making 14/ as opposed to the cashier at wal mart...both are on their feet all-day.

I didn't mean you personally, I meant "you" in general sense.And yes, it is cheap, until a shift in the cultural norm occurs. Tipping people in almost any other industry isn't an expectation therefore it doesn't make any sense to even bring it up as an argument. You can go ahead and tip the Wal-Mart cashier if you want, but the expectation isn't there to do so. If you go to a restaurant and choose not to tip no matter what type of service you receive then that's just cheap and rude. Don't go out to eat if you don't want to be considered such. Again, I mean you in a general sense.

oftenreading

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

You're a peach.  Taxation is theft, you don't tip based on the govt cut.  You tip based on the food and service.

And again the calc is wrong if the input is wrong.

Thanks!  

Taxation is theft?  Is there waste?  Sure.  But it's also part of the social pact.  You can't hardly look around anywhere and not see the fruits of tax dollars and their positive effect on society.  Roads, public schools, grants to universities that have furthered scientific and medical knowledge.  I'll just never get that mindset.  

When you’re speaking to someone who thinks public schools won’t exist in 20 years and university education is a crock, those won’t sound like compelling arguments. I assume that crowd drives on roads, though, so there’s that. Maybe even occasionally makes use of the fire department. 

Gtilley8

oftenreading said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Since you asked so nicely...

The tip should be based on the pre tax subtotal and not the post tax final total.

I often find that the calcs provided are after tax.  You don't tip the tax.

If that's really your argument, you're an idiot.  Also, if you're not tipping on the total bill, you're a cheap ass.  That's really a sad argument to make.  

Also, you didn't address a computer getting math wrong.  You addressed the input.  If you're not smart enough to input the total minus tax (cheap), then you shouldn't be worrying about any of this to begin with.  

Brian - we've gone back and forth before, and I really try to respect your opinion.  I'm not going to argue without you on this.  But I'll say, when you start agreeing with the most ignorant poster in this fanclub, you're on the wrong side.  

You're a peach.  Taxation is theft, you don't tip based on the govt cut.  You tip based on the food and service.

And again the calc is wrong if the input is wrong.

Thanks!  

Taxation is theft?  Is there waste?  Sure.  But it's also part of the social pact.  You can't hardly look around anywhere and not see the fruits of tax dollars and their positive effect on society.  Roads, public schools, grants to universities that have furthered scientific and medical knowledge.  I'll just never get that mindset.  

When you’re speaking to someone who thinks public schools won’t exist in 20 years and university education is a crock, those won’t sound like compelling arguments. I assume that crowd drives on roads, though, so there’s that. Maybe even occasionally makes use of the fire department. 

Yeah, I agree with you.  I almost made the "roads" argument, but I assume the guy has paid taxes so I guess he's entitled to drive on them..... Even if he can't appreciate what it took to get them.  I just don't get it.