$15 minimum wage
Who didnt see this coming? This is what happens when government intervenes in the market. I guess we can just pay them all a living wage until we run out of everyone's money.
"As minimum wage levels approach or surpass $15 nationwide, restaurant customers expecting to be greeted by a smiling face will instead be welcomed by a glowing LED screen.
As of 2020, self-service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all U.S. McDonald’s locations. Other chains, including fast-casual brands like Panera and casual-dining brands like Chili's, have already embraced this trend. Some restaurant concepts have even automated the food-preparation process; earlier this year, NBC News profiled "Flippy," a robot hamburger flipper. "
http://https//www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2018/07/11/mcdonalds-says-goodbye-cashiers-hello-kiosks/#14e24b436f14
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Yup it's not immigrants stealing jobs....it's technology making humans in those jobs obsolete. It will continue for sure.hippiemom = goodness0
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All 14 dollar minimum wage did in Ontario was make everything far more expensive for those of us on fixed incomes...Give Peas A Chance…0
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It’s more the screen generation than $15 an hour minimum wage. Why tell a person 3 times what you want only to have them fuck it up anyway? This way, if you don’t get what you ordered, chances are you’ll have only yourself to blame.flywallyfly said:Who didnt see this coming? This is what happens when government intervenes in the market. I guess we can just pay them all a living wage until we run out of everyone's money.
"As minimum wage levels approach or surpass $15 nationwide, restaurant customers expecting to be greeted by a smiling face will instead be welcomed by a glowing LED screen.
As of 2020, self-service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all U.S. McDonald’s locations. Other chains, including fast-casual brands like Panera and casual-dining brands like Chili's, have already embraced this trend. Some restaurant concepts have even automated the food-preparation process; earlier this year, NBC News profiled "Flippy," a robot hamburger flipper. "
http://https//www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2018/07/11/mcdonalds-says-goodbye-cashiers-hello-kiosks/#14e24b436f14
You should be more concerned with record corporate profits, record low unemployment and wages that aren’t keeping up with inflation despite being told that the Team Trump Treason tax cuts and amnesty would result in higher wages for the working stiff. Do you really think corporations will do right by their wage earners?
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And more stores are installing automated checkouts...Give Peas A Chance…0
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I'm more concerned that activists that have no knowledge of economics create and enforce laws that ultimately result in higher unemployment for the people in our country that really have no other options for employment.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s more the screen generation than $15 an hour minimum wage. Why tell a person 3 times what you want only to have them fuck it up anyway? This way, if you don’t get what you ordered, chances are you’ll have only yourself to blame.flywallyfly said:Who didnt see this coming? This is what happens when government intervenes in the market. I guess we can just pay them all a living wage until we run out of everyone's money.
"As minimum wage levels approach or surpass $15 nationwide, restaurant customers expecting to be greeted by a smiling face will instead be welcomed by a glowing LED screen.
As of 2020, self-service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all U.S. McDonald’s locations. Other chains, including fast-casual brands like Panera and casual-dining brands like Chili's, have already embraced this trend. Some restaurant concepts have even automated the food-preparation process; earlier this year, NBC News profiled "Flippy," a robot hamburger flipper. "
http://https//www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2018/07/11/mcdonalds-says-goodbye-cashiers-hello-kiosks/#14e24b436f14
You should be more concerned with record corporate profits, record low unemployment and wages that aren’t keeping up with inflation despite being told that the Team Trump Treason tax cuts and amnesty would result in higher wages for the working stiff. Do you really think corporations will do right by their wage earners?
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They can go work on the coal mines. Or for carrier. After moving to Mexico. I would blame the failure to educate, train and invest in our populace to keep pace with technological changes. It’s been happening since the beginning of employment.flywallyfly said:
I'm more concerned that activists that have no knowledge of economics create and enforce laws that ultimately result in higher unemployment for the people in our country that really have no other options for employment.Halifax2TheMax said:
It’s more the screen generation than $15 an hour minimum wage. Why tell a person 3 times what you want only to have them fuck it up anyway? This way, if you don’t get what you ordered, chances are you’ll have only yourself to blame.flywallyfly said:Who didnt see this coming? This is what happens when government intervenes in the market. I guess we can just pay them all a living wage until we run out of everyone's money.
"As minimum wage levels approach or surpass $15 nationwide, restaurant customers expecting to be greeted by a smiling face will instead be welcomed by a glowing LED screen.
As of 2020, self-service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all U.S. McDonald’s locations. Other chains, including fast-casual brands like Panera and casual-dining brands like Chili's, have already embraced this trend. Some restaurant concepts have even automated the food-preparation process; earlier this year, NBC News profiled "Flippy," a robot hamburger flipper. "
http://https//www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2018/07/11/mcdonalds-says-goodbye-cashiers-hello-kiosks/#14e24b436f14
You should be more concerned with record corporate profits, record low unemployment and wages that aren’t keeping up with inflation despite being told that the Team Trump Treason tax cuts and amnesty would result in higher wages for the working stiff. Do you really think corporations will do right by their wage earners?
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Excellent - so we're in agreement then? Universal Basic Income!flywallyfly said:Who didnt see this coming? This is what happens when government intervenes in the market. I guess we can just pay them all a living wage until we run out of everyone's money.
"As minimum wage levels approach or surpass $15 nationwide, restaurant customers expecting to be greeted by a smiling face will instead be welcomed by a glowing LED screen.
As of 2020, self-service ordering kiosks will be implemented at all U.S. McDonald’s locations. Other chains, including fast-casual brands like Panera and casual-dining brands like Chili's, have already embraced this trend. Some restaurant concepts have even automated the food-preparation process; earlier this year, NBC News profiled "Flippy," a robot hamburger flipper. "
http://https//www.forbes.com/sites/edrensi/2018/07/11/mcdonalds-says-goodbye-cashiers-hello-kiosks/#14e24b436f140 -
minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
nice try though
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A straight across the board minimum wage proposition is a classic example of limited, uncreative, wall eyed thinking. It boggles my mind that some much more reasonable factors are not considered-- all of which should be geared toward providing a living wage for all full-time main breadwinner workers. Two such considerations immediately come to my mind:Scaling living wages to the cost of living in different areas. $15 an hours is not a living wage in San Francisco. It is a living wage in Placerville, California. A nationwide minimum wage makes absolutely no sense.Why not have different minimum wages for full-time workers who are the main bread winners for a family and a lower minimum wage for people like the elderly who are trying to supplement their meager post-career income, or for students who are trying to help pay for their schooling, or for high school students who just want to gain some work experience? My wife hires just those kinds of people at her bookstore (I'm my own boss and I get paid really damn poorly any more but I'm also semi-retired, so it's my choice). She cannot afford to pay a part-time employee who cleans books $15 an hour. She and here business partner will either have to work harder and longer (not a good choice as they are both over 65) or decrease the quality of their inventory (not a good choice in a type of business that is struggling enough as it is). Small businesses should be able to hire part-time workers like students or retirees without having to pay $15 an hour.Small minded, short-term and illogical thinking. Way to go, America."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
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Minimum wage should be based on local economics only. Each local government should be determining it within their city/municipal lines, and they should HAVE to base it on a set cost of living calculation that is determined and enforced by the provincial (or state) government, and based on local economic statistics. That is really the only truly fair system that I can think of.
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Exactly!PJ_Soul said:Minimum wage should be based on local economics only. Each local government should be determining it within their city/municipal lines, and they should HAVE to base it on a set cost of living calculation that is determined and enforced by the provincial (or state) government. That is really the only truly fair system that I can think of.
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There is not really any such thing as automation that costs more than paying wages and benefits to human workers who necessarily have hour limits though, and who have to be hired, fired, managed, etc. Not in the long run.cincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
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Automation is coming no matter what, in many forms, faster than most think... eventually it will be the more affordable option no matter how low wages arecincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
I don't get paid to drive my car, but that will be automated soon enough
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I wouldn't mind more of this kind of automation:
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I doubt it. ... I was told back in the 70's I'd have my own personnel jet pack ... I'm still waiting.my2hands said:
Automation is coming no matter what, in many forms, faster than most think... eventually it will be the more affordable option no matter how low wages arecincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
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Oh yeah? Who told you that? A 70s authority on jet pack development?Meltdown99 said:
I doubt it. ... I was told back in the 70's I'd have my own personnel jet pack ... I'm still waiting.my2hands said:
Automation is coming no matter what, in many forms, faster than most think... eventually it will be the more affordable option no matter how low wages arecincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
I don't get paid to drive my car, but that will be automated soon enough
Automation is obviously happening already and actual reality informs us that it's moving forward - it's not an opinion but a fact..... Come on now, you didn't actually have any kind of real point in that comment, right? Just a joke, yeah?
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Yes, automation is and was coming to a huge number of jobs, no matter what the minimum wage is. As better systems get developed they’ll get even cheaper, and with no training necessary, no staff turnover, no sick time, no breaks, it’s inevitable.my2hands said:
Automation is coming no matter what, in many forms, faster than most think... eventually it will be the more affordable option no matter how low wages arecincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
I don't get paid to drive my car, but that will be automated soon enoughmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
I guess it depends on how you are looking at it. But I work for a major manufacturer and there are many projects cancelled when it doesn’t pay out vs human labor. And many that do. You say “long run” but lots of big companies require a 3 year payback. Another way to look at it is to put in a machine, you need to identify roughly 50% if the cost in savings for every 12 month period.PJ_Soul said:
There is not really any such thing as automation that costs more than paying wages and benefits to human workers who necessarily have hour limits though, and who have to be hired, fired, managed, etc. Not in the long run.cincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
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Well that is true for some automation. But it does take time AND humans provide flexibility as well. But yes automation is coming to basically everything.... eventually.my2hands said:
Automation is coming no matter what, in many forms, faster than most think... eventually it will be the more affordable option no matter how low wages arecincybearcat said:
Ummmmm how does it have nothing to do with wage? There comes a point where the cost of automation becomes affordable compared to the cost of wages. If wages are lower than the cost of automation, companies won’t install machines.my2hands said:speaking of no knowledge of economics.... minimum wage, no matter the amount, has zero to do with automation and AI
it would be happening if labor was $1 per hour, nice try though
I don't get paid to drive my car, but that will be automated soon enoughhippiemom = goodness0
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