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Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....hippiemom = goodness0 -
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.hippiemom = goodness0 -
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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cincy said nothing about "oh well or too bad", nor that it bothered him that you won't accept it. he merely stated an opinion on the state of politics in the US currently, which I agree with.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
When is the last time NK has lobbed a missile over Japan ... Not in a while, not at least while Kim and Trump are engaged in conversation. I know to most of you that currently are not threatened by war it's not a big deal ... but I imagine to many of the people's of the region a calming of tensions is a positive...Give Peas A Chance…0
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It’s hostile in here today.HughFreakingDillon said:
cincy said nothing about "oh well or too bad", nor that it bothered him that you won't accept it. he merely stated an opinion on the state of politics in the US currently, which I agree with.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Again, I'm amazed at the amount of people that think NK would actually attack another country, any country, ever.Meltdown99 said:When is the last time NK has lobbed a missile over Japan ... Not in a while, not at least while Kim and Trump are engaged in conversation. I know to most of you that currently are not threatened by war it's not a big deal ... but I imagine to many of the people's of the region a calming of tensions is a positive...
It would never happen. When have they?
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Gotta hand it to Rocket Man- he kicked the great dealmaker's ass!
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To use cincy’s analogy, I would agree if Team Trump Treason were doing those things that an Obama or Hillary administration would do and I was as vociferous in my opposition. Even I can respect what the Yankees can and do accomplish and respect them for it, despite being a die hard, life long Red Sox fan. There is no such thing as respect, admiration or anything positive for Team Trump Treason and his farm system of repubes in Congress. I don’t hate them to hate them. I hate them because they truly suck, lie, cheat and complain about the rules, all while circumventing and violating them, with a wink and a nod from their fans. There is no honor in how they play the game. They really do suck and I can’t root for them. But I can and will root for referee Team Mueller.
To root for or ignore Team Trump Treason’s style of play or to claim it’s been played this way for sometime is to normalize said play, thus allowing the game to be changed. It hasn’t always been this way. Nor should it remain so.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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They were never going to. That said, I agree that an easing of tension is very good, even though NK was never going to nuke anyone ... But not so much at the expense of America as a democratic ally. Trump is going about this by making friends with a terrible dictator who is responsible for the torture, starvation and death of his own people. Since when was it a great thing that a totalitarian dictator came out on top, like we're now witnessing? Trump's attitude seems to be "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em"... When the "'em" is Kim Jong Un, that doesn't seem like a very good attitude to me. But apparently, some people think that America should just suck up to North Korea and say whatever will please the Supreme Leader most so that all the Americans aren't quaking in their boots anymore over Un's big red button, while Trump eyes real estate on NK beaches for his next high rise development, and Putin continues to hold Trump under his thumb as Trump talks about getting that regime back into the G8 ... I mean, shit. Is that really what Trump supporters want for their country?? This all seems insane to me. It seems like an awfully huge trade off just to prevent a phony war. This is more and more feeling like fucking wag the dog.my2hands said:
Again, I'm amazed at the amount of people that think NK would actually attack another country, any country, ever.Meltdown99 said:When is the last time NK has lobbed a missile over Japan ... Not in a while, not at least while Kim and Trump are engaged in conversation. I know to most of you that currently are not threatened by war it's not a big deal ... but I imagine to many of the people's of the region a calming of tensions is a positive...
It would never happen. When have they?
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If Trump is such a bad negotiator, why can't we figure out a way to negotiate him out of office? Maybe Mueller will take care of it.0
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Having nukes keeps him in power. Using them he loses power. He knows thismy2hands said:
Again, I'm amazed at the amount of people that think NK would actually attack another country, any country, ever.Meltdown99 said:When is the last time NK has lobbed a missile over Japan ... Not in a while, not at least while Kim and Trump are engaged in conversation. I know to most of you that currently are not threatened by war it's not a big deal ... but I imagine to many of the people's of the region a calming of tensions is a positive...
It would never happen. When have they?6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/160 -
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This is all pretense to starting a war with North Korea.
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It's within the realm of possibilities.CM189191 said:Hold on to your butts.
This is all pretense to starting a war with North Korea.
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wow this is huge! every spring tensions would rise because of these military exercises.
Trump shocks allies and Pentagon with North Korea concession
At Tuesday’s press conference in Singapore following his meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, President Trump surprised America’s Asian allies, and reportedly his own Pentagon, by surrendering a major bargaining chip in the form of U.S.-South Korea military exercises.
“We will be stopping the war games, which will save us a tremendous amount of money, unless and until we see that the future negotiation is not going as it should,” Trump told reporters, referring to the annual exercises as “provocative.” “At some point, I have to be honest — I used to say this during my campaign … I want to get our soldiers [in South Korea] out. I want to bring our soldiers back home.”
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You still are completely missing my point. I never said it was ok. But feel free to focus your faux outrage on me some more if it helps you sleep better tonight.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.hippiemom = goodness0 -
You mad, bro?cincybearcat said:
You still are completely missing my point. I never said it was ok. But feel free to focus your faux outrage on me some more if it helps you sleep better tonight.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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No frustrated. You aren’t understanding what I’m saying at all. It’s not worth it anymore.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mad, bro?cincybearcat said:
You still are completely missing my point. I never said it was ok. But feel free to focus your faux outrage on me some more if it helps you sleep better tonight.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.hippiemom = goodness0 -
That’s okay, don’t take it personally as I certainly don’t. Maybe beer would help? Me, you and Mcgruff can solve NK. Given enough beer.cincybearcat said:
No frustrated. You aren’t understanding what I’m saying at all. It’s not worth it anymore.Halifax2TheMax said:
You mad, bro?cincybearcat said:
You still are completely missing my point. I never said it was ok. But feel free to focus your faux outrage on me some more if it helps you sleep better tonight.Halifax2TheMax said:
Do you not see the glaring hypocracy of the repubes since Team Trump Treason's election? Do you accept Team Trump Treason's 6 lies, on average, per day? Are you okay with that? The repubes sure seem to be as they don't call him out for it, ever. The fact that you took umbrage with my pointing this out, in effect, normalizes Team Trump Treason's behavior. It didn't always used to be this way.cincybearcat said:
I don't think I'm normalizing anything. I'm saying it has been evolving this way and keeps getting worse and it's awful. Again you are completely missing what I;m trying to say....just an analogy...how politics is moving more towards the way sports are with unwavering support for "your team" and hatred for the "other team".Halifax2TheMax said:
You seem to have taken offense at my pointing out the glaring hypocracy of the right. Thats what's bad, that you seem to normalize it. Its never been this bad. Hell, i"ve voted for repubes that I agree with. There used to be bipartisanship. Now? On every issue the repupes used to go apeshit over, if they do it under Team Trump Treason, its a shoulder shrug and MAGA. Again, I don't equate politics with sports. One has a direct impact on your day to day quality of life, the other sends you into a depression for a day or two. If that's how you rationalize and excuse Team Trump Treason, so be it but it ain't me. How else to explain what's occured in the past 24 hours? PTape? And illegal foreign campaign finance contributions?cincybearcat said:
Cause clearly I was saying that politics are sports in their effect....c'mon. Put your PTape away, it's distracting you from reading.Halifax2TheMax said:
Sorry, but government policy and governance are not sports. If the Patriots lose the super bowl because they traded Gronk to the victors, it doesn’t impact my life one iota. Team Trump Treason doing Russia’s and China’s bidding while being so obviously clueless while also getting a pass from the repubes in Congress, has the potential to get me killed.cincybearcat said:
It's just such low hanging fruit and obvious. Kinda like the player that if he is on your team you love him and if he plays for another team you hate him. Happens all the timeHalifax2TheMax said:
Have you watched the Faux news comparison of coverage of Team Trump Treason and Obama that someone posted? The right's hypocrasy knows no bounds. And some are suckers for it. Sometimes it needs to be pointedly pointed out. So maybe when Team Trump Treason stops doing shit that the repubes allow to go by without comment that they would have had a stroke over if done by Hillary or Obama, I'll stop pointing it out. So yea, never.cincybearcat said:
When are we going to stop with the "just imagine if this was obama....or hillary" stuff? I'm guessing never.Halifax2TheMax said:Just close your eyes for a moment, just for a moment, and imagine Hillary or Obama doing any of this. Announcing a willingness to meet, scheduling a meeting, issuing a commerative coin, canceling the meeting, putting it back on, going to Singapore without any prep or specifics, meeting one on one without any aides present and showing a propaganda piece on an iPad. Imagine that for just a minute. Heads would explode and Washington would be in an uproar. Then to hold a press conference and openly admit that if they fail, they'd jsut make up an excuse, while shrugging their shoulders in an Alfred P. Newman kind of way. Now, imagine that.
"The future is in Singapore and not Quebec."
What I am saying is we've seen this all the time in sports and now Americans are treating politics like sports. They pick a team and then only support the team, instead of the country. It's awful. And to state..."If the other team's person did this...." No shit. It's be like that for a while and as I said, it's awful. Only principle left is power.....
So - I'm normalizing and rationalizing Trump by pointing this out huh? Weird. You are so against this team that anytime someone doesn't go apeshit on them you accuse them of being with them...normalizing...rationalizing.... It's bs.
I see your analogy and I don't accept it. In sports, its fine. In politics, its not and it smacks of normalization, "look politics has become like sports, nothing I can do, oh well or too bad." I'll continue to call out the hypocracy of the repubes in accepting the abhorrent behavior of Team Trump Treason and I won't accept it as a sports analogy. I'm sorry that bothers you.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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