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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,876
    This is very interesting


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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
  • polaris_x
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    for those not in the other thread ...

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  • JimmyV
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    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    Yes this is absolutely a bipartisan problem.
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    So, since we've diverted (which never happens on AMT, right?  haha!) let me ask this:  How much control does a president really have over matters like bombing other countries?  Is any president really able to just get on the horn and say, "Hey, General Chaos, bomb the shit out of Syria"?  I really don't know.  ANd I don't mean on paper, I mean, really. Don't you think some of those in places the average you and me never see have some say in these things.  I honestly don't know.  What I do know is that more war in this world at this time is massively FUBAR.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    polaris_x said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
    Not true. He wanted to act but congress said no. 
  • mcgruff10
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    dignin said:
    polaris_x said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
    Not true. He wanted to act but congress said no. 

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  • mcgruff10
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    My point being, presidents do what they want and then the opposite party ridicules and complains. A few years later, a different political party does the same type of complaining when the same issue occur. Double standard. You can’t be a Democrat and bitch and moan about trump s Syrian strikes but support Obama’s just a few years before. Same can be said of Republicans. 
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    dignin said:
    polaris_x said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
    Not true. He wanted to act but congress said no. 
    That was a really weird period of time. I remeber people just losing their mind over this. For example: A person down the street from me who voted McCain, Romney, and Bush ( i know this this because of his election year yard signage) put out a huge homemade sign that read, Impeach Obama, at the time Obama was contemplting strikes. It didnt make any sense too me. Also, i knew a guy, hardcore conservative, neocon, in favor of Iraq war and every other military action that the US has taken , authorized or not, being against Obama authorizing strikes. Partisan bullshit. I do remember Obama wanting to go to congress with this. Did it go up for vote? 

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,658
    OK, so while you're thinking about or ignoring my other question (no problem there) what about this:  Why is it any of our business to be involved in Syria in the first place?  If you say, "Because this faction did such and such and we don't agree with that so we are going to bomb the shit out of someone", then other countries will say, "Yeah, well we don't agree so we're going to start bombing the shit out of you" and pretty soon everybody is bombing the shit out of everybody and in 2018 THIS IS NOT A FUCKING GOOD IDEA!
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  • Hi!
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    Were Obamas strikes in Syria against terrorists or the regime of Assad? Isnt that the difference? I guess i could google the answears to these questions myself. Lol.

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  • mcgruff10
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    Hi! said:
    Were Obamas strikes in Syria against terrorists or the regime of Assad? Isnt that the difference? I guess i could google the answears to these questions myself. Lol.
    I guess it depends who you ask. I hate the political game lol 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mcgruff10 said:
    My point being, presidents do what they want and then the opposite party ridicules and complains. A few years later, a different political party does the same type of complaining when the same issue occur. Double standard. You can’t be a Democrat and bitch and moan about trump s Syrian strikes but support Obama’s just a few years before. Same can be said of Republicans. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Hi! said:
    Were Obamas strikes in Syria against terrorists or the regime of Assad? Isnt that the difference? I guess i could google the answears to these questions myself. Lol.
    I guess it depends who you ask. I hate the political game lol 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    polaris_x said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
    Not true. He wanted to act but congress said no. 

    There is a difference there. You are referencing strikes against ISIS, not Assad's regime.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited April 2018
    dignin said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    dignin said:
    polaris_x said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
    Not true. He wanted to act but congress said no. 

    There is a difference there. You are referencing strikes against ISIS, not Assad's regime.
    did you support these strikes?  I was merely showing an example of no congressional approval. 

    Post edited by mcgruff10 on
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Hi! said:
    dignin said:
    polaris_x said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    tbergs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    stuckinline said:
    So, the orange man ordered the airstrikes without congressional approval?
    Name a president who hasn’t done this lol. Come on, I get you guys hate trump but the double standards are unreal. 
    You want there to be a double standard so you make a blanket statement saying that no one here opposed missile strikes like this by other presidents. How can you even make that claim? Your statement and stance is what comes off as minimizing this completely whacked out presidency. This is just another to add to the list of shady shit. 
    How many unauthorized strikes did Obama have?  Was there an outcry like this from the Democrats when he did this?  Again I am no trump fan but chemical weapons being used on civilians are a big no no in my book. And yes there are double standards

    I seem to recall Obama was slammed by many for his military decisions. I don't think there is a double standard.

    What I do think is that Trump doesn't have a clue what is happening in Syria (or any other country for that matter) and is being influenced by someone eager for action. Without knowing for sure... I'd give Obama credit for analyzing the situation before making any big decision that ultimately he'd be responsible for.  
    not a supporter of Obama but in 2013 I believe he threatened Syria about crossing a thin red line ... that was when the first alleged chemical attack happened ... clearly a provocation ... however, I believe he didn't ultimately launch a strike because he received information that the chemical attack was staged ...
    Not true. He wanted to act but congress said no. 
    That was a really weird period of time. I remeber people just losing their mind over this. For example: A person down the street from me who voted McCain, Romney, and Bush ( i know this this because of his election year yard signage) put out a huge homemade sign that read, Impeach Obama, at the time Obama was contemplting strikes. It didnt make any sense too me. Also, i knew a guy, hardcore conservative, neocon, in favor of Iraq war and every other military action that the US has taken , authorized or not, being against Obama authorizing strikes. Partisan bullshit. I do remember Obama wanting to go to congress with this. Did it go up for vote? 
    Obama seeks approval by congress for strike in Syria.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/01/world/middleeast/syria.html

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/infographics/obama-seeks-congressional-vote-on-syria-strike.html

    Tough Hill vote on Syria fades

    https://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/congress-syria-vote-096806
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    How s this one?  Same shit different president. 

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    Congressional approval for strikes in Iraq and against terrorists, i believe was covered under war autherization related to Afgahn, Iraq war, no?
    You may have a with point for strikes in Libya. But specifically striking Assad regime in Syyria was not covered in 2001 authorization. I dont know. Lol

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