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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    mrussel1 said:
    unsung said:
    Setting a minimum wage.
    Got any examples of laissez faire capitalism working perfectly in a society? Because I'm sure we can all think of lots of examples where lack of regulation went horribly wrong. 
    First one that comes to mind:

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
    Still waiting.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
    Still waiting.

    You think the 'free market' (complete deregulation) would treat the labor pool with decency and respect?

    There is significant history that speaks to the contrary. There are areas on the earth that speak to the contrary.

    You are asking for a major step backwards.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
    Still waiting.
    Waiting for what?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mrussel1 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
    Still waiting.
    Waiting for what?
    unsung is waiting for his poly-sci / econ 101 tutorial

    libertarian philosophy has left him with an overly simplistic utopian view of the world and he needs help understanding the complex socio-economic nuances of reality
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
    Still waiting.
    Waiting for what?
    unsung is waiting for his poly-sci / econ 101 tutorial

    libertarian philosophy has left him with an overly simplistic utopian view of the world and he needs help understanding the complex socio-economic nuances of reality
    It would be fantastic if one, pure economic philosophy could work, but what any cursory review of history shows is that pure ideology is folly.  Communism, socialism, fascism, feudalism, pure capitalism; they have all failed the people.  
  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,203
    They dream of AynRandistan....
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Yeah, why not actually try it.


  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,203
    unsung said:
    Yeah, why not actually try it.


    They did...it's called Haiti
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,275
    Gern Blansten said:
    unsung said:
    Yeah, why not actually try it.


    They did...it's called Haiti
    Twice, don’t forget Somalia.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Here we go...

    Another fake news by the left.  Somalia has too many governments.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    unsung said:
    Here we go...

    Another fake news by the left.  Somalia has too many governments.
    Who/where is a good example?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Here we go...

    Another fake news by the left.  Somalia has too many governments.
    Who/where is a good example?
    Kansas is a good example...

    ...more like a warning, really
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    unsung said:
    Yeah, why not actually try it.


    Well it was tried in the market, without regulation,  in the early 20th century.  It failed miserably.  All of these theories fail to account for the folly and corruption of humans. 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mrussel1 said:
    unsung said:
    Yeah, why not actually try it.


    Well it was tried in the market, without regulation,  in the early 20th century.  It failed miserably.  All of these theories fail to account for the folly and corruption of humans. 
    Expect crickets 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,275
    Can't wait for all of the Cletuses to fuck this up or not even be aware of it and end up having to file revised statements, get audited or end up paying fines and back taxes because, golly gee, look at my paycheck, its bigly! Something tells me this is by Team Trump Treason's design in a revenue grab of smoke and mirrors.

    In the rush for Americans to see bigger paychecks, the Treasury Department is asking companies to rely on outdated forms to determine withholdings. That could put millions of workers at risk of overpaying or underpaying their taxes unless they double-check their paychecks using a new Internal Revenue Service tool.
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  • mcgruff10
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    Tomorrow s pay day!! Will my paycheck go up or down?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mcgruff10 said:
    Tomorrow s pay day!! Will my paycheck go up or down?
    Use the calculator to be sure.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,125
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Tomorrow s pay day!! Will my paycheck go up or down?
    Use the calculator to be sure.
    I ll count with my fingers because I m sure it won't be much. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,275
    mcgruff10 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Tomorrow s pay day!! Will my paycheck go up or down?
    Use the calculator to be sure.
    I ll count with my fingers because I m sure it won't be much. 
    Don't quaff any beer before you do, then. Mistakes happen.
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