Tax Reform
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It's like most everything else these days. If done right, with a logical and well-thought out plan for longtime benefit to the people and growth of the economy, I'm all for it. But I have no faith whatsoever that anyone involved in the current process is prepared to do that. There will be cuts for the top, it won't trickle down, and the rest of us will be expected to bend over and take it.
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tRump said yesterday that the new rates would be bad news for him....that is absolute fucking bullshit
I don't disagree with getting rid of the AMT for anyone making less than $500K. But for him to say he's going to get rid of the AMT, reduce the top rate to 35%, reduce pass through income from LLCs and SCorps to 25% and then say "it's going to be bad news for me" is the biggest fucking lie he has ever told.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
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I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)0 -
hedonist said:I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)
It's the nature of the beast.
Honestly...the IRS has the ability to let you file a relatively simple return directly on their website. Lobbyists (H&R Block, Intuit, etc) throw money at politicians to keep that from happening.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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Gern Blansten said:hedonist said:I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)
It's the nature of the beast.
Honestly...the IRS has the ability to let you file a relatively simple return directly on their website. Lobbyists (H&R Block, Intuit, etc) throw money at politicians to keep that from happening.
I completely get what you're saying - its reasoning - but damn, it has become so complicated and rife with ripple-effects.0 -
hedonist said:I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)
I understand deductions for mortgages. Buying a house makes you invested in your home, community and neighborhood.
Same for donations, although I suspect that deduction is abused by people who can afford to donate more than I am able.
Never understood the deduction for having children. Why should there be financial incentive for procreating?
Houses of worship should be taxed.
A flat tax would be terrible regressive, causing much worse income disparity than we have now.
A negative income tax would be my preferred vehicle.0 -
Gern Blansten said:hedonist said:I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)
It's the nature of the beast.
Honestly...the IRS has the ability to let you file a relatively simple return directly on their website. Lobbyists (H&R Block, Intuit, etc) throw money at politicians to keep that from happening.0 -
Tax cuts don't spur growth as most people who get them use it to pay for necessities and the wealthy at a certian point, just bank it. I mean, how many second or third homes, or cars does one need?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2017/09/28/i-helped-create-the-gop-tax-myth-trump-is-wrong-tax-cuts-dont-equal-growth/?undefined=&utm_term=.035e23d961cf&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1
And good luck with this:
Rushing through a half-baked tax plan, in the same manner Republicans tried (and failed) to do with health-care reform, should be rejected out of hand. As Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) has repeatedly and correctly said, successful legislating requires a return to the “regular order.” That means a detailed proposal with proper revenue estimates and distribution tables from the Joint Committee on Taxation, hearings and analysis by the nation’s best tax experts, markups and amendments in the tax-writing committees, and an open process in the House of Representatives and Senate.
In other words, do your freaking job. Stop coming out with halfbacked political slogans and being the party of no, we do nothing.Post edited by Halifax2TheMax on09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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The other piece of this is that the economy is going along pretty well and unemployment is low. How can they push this as necessary to spur the economy? It's ridiculous.
Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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Gern Blansten said:The other piece of this is that the economy is going along pretty well and unemployment is low. How can they push this as necessary to spur the economy? It's ridiculous.0
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"It's not good for me, believe me." That's what President Donald Trump said Wednesday in Indiana about the new Republican tax plan, and you shouldn't believe him. It's a huge tax giveaway to the wealthy and corporations, and few people will benefit more than Donald Trump.
Since Trump refuses to release his tax returns, in defiance of 40 years of precedent, we can't know exactly how much he'll gain from the proposed GOP tax plan. But we know enough to highlight the biggest examples of self-dealing by the president.
The richest gift he hopes to give himself comes from cutting what he pays in taxes by more than one-third on income from the 500 separate business entities that together make up the Trump Organization. These partnerships and other so-called "pass-through" entities don't pay corporate taxes, but instead pass through any profits and losses to the owners (principally or exclusively Trump). Trump pays any tax due at individual rates on his personal return. He would reduce the top tax rate on this kind of income from 39.6 percent to just 25 percent.
This is the so-called "small business" tax cut Trump is trumpeting. But that's a sham. It's really just a tax handout to hedge fund managers, Wall Street lawyers, real estate magnates like Trump and other high-earners. Because 96 percent of real small business owners already pay taxes at 25 percent or less, they get no benefit from the rate cut. To emphasize, only 4 percent of business owners will see any benefit from this so-called "small business" tax cut. The big winners are high-rollers like Trump who now pay the top rate. Far from a "small business" tax cut, this "pass-through" tax cut has been rightly dubbed "The Trump Loophole."
All that Main Street businesses will get from this handout to millionaires are the crippling reductions in public services – such as street repairs and small business loans – that would come from losing between $390-$660 billion in federal tax revenue over 10 years.
Another change Trump is trying to slip into the tax code greatly to his benefit is elimination of the alternative minimum tax – a safeguard against the wealthy using excessive deductions, credits and other subtractions to whittle their tax bill down to little or nothing.
The one tax return of Trump's that's been leaked to the public shows the alternative minimum tax doing its job. If the tax had not been in place, Trump would have paid federal taxes on his $150 million in income at a measly 4 percent rate – less than most low-income workers pay. Thanks to the tax, that rate was raised to a more reasonable 25 percent.
Axing the alternative minimum tax will undoubtedly save Trump hundreds of millions of dollars over the years – but it will cost the American people nearly $450 billion in lost revenue over the next decade. That's money that could be used to shore up Medicare and Medicaid, and improve our schools, among many other vital public investments.
A third huge gift to Trump and his family is repeal of the estate tax. The estate tax only affects the richest 1 in 500 families, since it only kicks in when an estate is valued at $5.5 million or more ($11 million for a couple). It's one of the few antidotes to our nation's dangerously widening wealth gap.
If Trump is anywhere near as rich as he claims to be, his family members would see their inheritances balloon by billions of dollars if he succeeds in eliminating the estate tax. Meanwhile, the rest of America would lose $240 billion over 10 years, making it tougher to pay for health care, education, retirement security and all the other services needed by those of us who don't inherit a fortune.
Trump and his fellow Republicans have quite a sales job in front of them if they plan to convince the American public that a giant tax handout to the rich and corporations is supposed to help working families. But in trying to make the sale, Trump will be in a position he's quite familiar with: working for his own enrichment.
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CM189191 said:hedonist said:I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)
I understand deductions for mortgages. Buying a house makes you invested in your home, community and neighborhood.
Same for donations, although I suspect that deduction is abused by people who can afford to donate more than I am able.
Never understood the deduction for having children. Why should there be financial incentive for procreating?
Houses of worship should be taxed.
A flat tax would be terrible regressive, causing much worse income disparity than we have now.
A negative income tax would be my preferred vehicle.hippiemom = goodness0 -
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The "Middle Class Miracle?" Hmmmm, sure.
Tax Reform
President Trump announced his Administration’s tax overhaul initiative at the Indiana State Fairgrounds yesterday afternoon. Four Indiana lawmakers accompanied the President on the trip - Republican Representatives Susan Brooks and Jackie Walorski, Republican Senator Todd Young and Democratic Senator Joe Donnelly. "Tax reform has not historically been a partisan issue – and it does not have to be a partisan issue today...” the President said. “There is no reason that Democrats and Republicans in Congress should not come together to deliver this giant win for the American people and begin the Middle Class Miracle once again."
Watch the VideoThe Unified Tax Reform Framework
The America First tax relief plan will strengthen the middle class, grow the economy, and unleash America’s economic comeback. The plan consists of four main points: tax cuts for working Americans, a simpler tax code, lower business tax rates, and bringing wealth back to the United States. Here are a few of the measures included in President Trump’s tax relief plan:· Double the standard deduction.
· Consolidate the seven existing tax brackets for taxable income to only three brackets: 12 percent, 25 percent, and 35 percent.
· Streamline the tax filing process to a single sheet of paper for most Americans.
· Reduce the corporate tax rate to 20 percent.
· Tax offshore profits at a one-time low tax rate, thereby ending the tax incentive to keep those profits offshore.
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Halifax2TheMax said:Go Beavers said:Gern Blansten said:The other piece of this is that the economy is going along pretty well and unemployment is low. How can they push this as necessary to spur the economy? It's ridiculous.0
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Go Beavers said:Liars habitually qualify their statements with "believe me".
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CM189191 said:hedonist said:I just wish it were simple. No deductions for mortgages, children, donations, etc. - and no loopholes.
Pay X percentage of whatever you earn. Done and done.
(I can dream, right?)
I understand deductions for mortgages. Buying a house makes you invested in your home, community and neighborhood.
Same for donations, although I suspect that deduction is abused by people who can afford to donate more than I am able.
Never understood the deduction for having children. Why should there be financial incentive for procreating?
Houses of worship should be taxed.
A flat tax would be terrible regressive, causing much worse income disparity than we have now.
A negative income tax would be my preferred vehicle.Federal Tax Credits
Federal tax credits may help families offset the cost of child care. Some families may pay less in taxes and some families may receive a refund for child care paid during the most recent tax year
On this page:
- Federal Child Tax Credit
- Federal Child and Depedendent Tax Credit (DCTC)
- The Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)
- For more information
Federal Child Tax Credit
Program description:
The Child Tax Credit allows families to reduce their federal taxes by claiming a tax credit for up to $1,000 for each qualifying child. A qualifying child is:
- Under 17 years old
- Your son, daughter, adopted child, descendant of a child, stepchild, or eligible foster child and
- A U.S. citizen or resident.
To claim the credit:
File a federal income tax return form 1040 or 1040A (not EZ), or file a form 2441 with your form 1040.
Download tax forms and preparation worksheets
Read Ten Facts about Claiming the Child Tax CreditAdditional details:
The credit is limited if your adjusted gross income is above a certain amount. Depending on your tax filing status, a phase out may begin at:
- Married filing joint = $110,000
- Married filing separate = $55,000
- All other taxpayers = $75,000
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Stated differently: why is a tax payer punished for not having children?
Still doesn't make sense to me.0
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