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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    A healthy government is part of a healthy society.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,100
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Being made to do something against your will 
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  • unsung
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    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    Thanks Team Trump Treason!

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  • Go Beavers
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    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    You’re only born with an ability to suck a teat and a brain with a large potential for growth. (And some other inherited traits). If you’re on an island with others, your group would rather quickly create some form of rules and what happens when people don’t follow those rules. It occurs naturally with higher functioning animals. In large form, humans call it government. What I just said sounds really basic because what you said sounds like an adolescent caught in a power struggle.  
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    You guys are wasting your time 
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    Hahaha the guys who Founded the government to codify and protect disagreed with the necessity of government for codifying and protecting rights?
    :dizzy:
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    I'm so glad the Founding Fathers were infallible and neither society nor the Constitution has changed or evolved in 250 years.

    Constitutional originalism is a bigger pile of horse shiat than libertarianism.  

    Just another 'philosophy' used by the myopic, evil, and ignorant to justify their abhorrent position in life.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??  

    Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??

    Are you really claiming to be a slave??

    What is the matter with you??
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,130
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??  

    Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??

    Are you really claiming to be a slave??

    What is the matter with you??
    And I’m the one that needs help? And I feel fine! Thank you!
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:0
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?
    The same one that shot the British who also thought they gave you your Rights.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited December 2017
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??  

    Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??

    Are you really claiming to be a slave??

    What is the matter with you??
    I didn't make the comparison, you did.
    I asked a question.
    You can't define it?
    Post edited by unsung on
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:0
    unsung said:
    rgambs said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    I am so glad the Founding Fathers didn't think this way.

    Wow, just wow.  Smh.
    The same founding fathers (i.e. government) that outlined and establshed rights and how the government would maintain and protect them?
    The same one that shot the British who also thought they gave you your Rights.
    And we circle back to the inevitable Libertarian ideological pick and choose. The Constitution isn’t a blank sheet of paper. 
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,640
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??  

    Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??

    Are you really claiming to be a slave??

    What is the matter with you??
    Isn't  he in a union?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,100
    Bentleyspop said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Define slavery.  Can you?
    Are you really trying to equate participating in a democratically governed society to slavery??  

    Are you really trying to compare any aspect of your life to slavery??

    Are you really claiming to be a slave??

    What is the matter with you??
    Isn't  he in a union?
    No way I’m convinced he mines gold and other minerals and then trades it for food & clothing 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,669
    edited December 2017
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Still waiting...
    In what way is government determining labor value?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Setting a minimum wage.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    unsung said:
    Setting a minimum wage.
    Got any examples of laissez faire capitalism working perfectly in a society? Because I'm sure we can all think of lots of examples where lack of regulation went horribly wrong. 

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