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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    And you don't exist in isolation. 
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,645
    Wait does Unsung mine gold for a living my ? Is who pays your salary or do you have a $ tree 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Get over yourself.  You're no John Galt.  Society won't miss your 'contribution'.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    The only reason your labor carries any value is because you belong to a functioning society.  Without that, your labor would primarily consist of chopping wood to keep warm. 

    Prattling on about the right to one's labor doesn't make you some great libertarian philosopher, it gives you an excuse to be a narrow-minded freeloader. 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Get over yourself.  You're no John Galt.  Society won't miss your 'contribution'.
    I am not your slave.  Get over yourself.  You don't have the right to my labor.  
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,561
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,882
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    But he exerted his free will to enable himself to be born in the United States vs, say the Soviet Block.  Therefore he did it on his own, much like everything else he does every day.  
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,645
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    Exactly lucky to have been born in a country with human rights ..
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    Exactly. And incredibly lucky to be born in that place and that time in history. The vast majority of what you have is due to pure, blind luck; a rather small percentage is due to your own efforts. Difficult for many to accept, but it's true. Those who have a lot tend to assume it's their due. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Get over yourself.  You're no John Galt.  Society won't miss your 'contribution'.
    I am not your slave.  Get over yourself.  You don't have the right to my labor.  
    slave != contributing member of society

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you.

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    Why is it that libertarians don't understand basic economic principles? 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,645
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?
    That’s absurd I could careless how you make your living and how you spend your $ , you’re the one spouting that everyone should say fuck the government and everyone live off the land as if it’s 1800 get over your self...
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,645
    In your world when I had a heart attack 3yrs ago I’d be dead , you know why I’m alive ? Because I drove my factory made car to a local emergency rooms where educated doctors made sure I didn’t die on the operating room , thank god for living in a working society...
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    edited December 2017
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Why is it that leftists think they still own the production of others?

    There is no utility to your labor, if it weren't for the societal structure that surrounds you. 

    Without society, your labor carries no value.

    If there wasn't a societal structure to assign value to your labor, you and whatever it is that you produce are worthless.
    So society should determine labor value?  Sounds rather Libertarian, LOL.  Muh free markets!

    Glad you finally agree.  Free markets should determine labor value, not government.
    Post edited by unsung on
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.

    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    Go Beavers said:
    unsung said:
    You don't have a right to my labor.
    Where’d you get your rights?
    I was born with them.
    You weren’t born with them. You were born in a location where these rights were put into place by people and then maintained and enforced by people. 
    No, you are wrong.  Everyone is born with their rights, only their governments take them away.  Government doesn't grant Rights, government allows privileges. 

    If you were born on a random island you do whatever you want, until someone says that you can't.
    No, people try to take each other's "rights" away, government is the only thing that protects you.
    You say I have no right to your labor, what if I say, "too bad, I'm taking your shit"?
    Do you think your guns protect you?  That's childishly laughable.


    I don't understand how you can fail to see how soundly your clever catch phrases get destroyed when faced with reality.  
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Define slavery.  Can you?

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