Kaepernick

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

Go Beavers said:

A good experiment would be to have Brady and Brees take a knee and then see what happens to their career trajectory. 

Nothing would happen.  Those guys are future hall of fame QBs.  I don't get what is so hard to understand about teams not wanting to deal with a media circus for a fucking backup QB?!?!?  A backup QB is not worth the type of distraction that this would bring.  Plain and simple.

The NFL needs to reconsider it's media standards.  I see where you're coming from, but the fact that a peaceful protest is viewed as a distraction, nuisance, etc is a huge part of the problem.  The NFL could nip it in the bud if they wanted to.

It's not the protest that is the distraction.  It's the media attention that comes along with it that is the distraction.  Yes, it's a story...but the media blew this thing so far out of proportion last year.  Not sure how the NFL could really do anything about that.....it's more of a media problem than an NFL problem.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  And you're not wrong, the media has definitely blown it out of proportion.  Just seems to me a multi-billion dollar league of professionals could act professional and not allow the media circus to distract them from their objective of winning games making more revenue.

Yep, but unfortunately that media circus is inevitable in this case.  The media fucking salivates at a story like this.  There's no way that Kap being on your team isn't going to be a giant distraction...I absolutely wouldn't want my team to sign him.  

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

Go Beavers said:

A good experiment would be to have Brady and Brees take a knee and then see what happens to their career trajectory. 

Nothing would happen.  Those guys are future hall of fame QBs.  I don't get what is so hard to understand about teams not wanting to deal with a media circus for a fucking backup QB?!?!?  A backup QB is not worth the type of distraction that this would bring.  Plain and simple.

The NFL needs to reconsider it's media standards.  I see where you're coming from, but the fact that a peaceful protest is viewed as a distraction, nuisance, etc is a huge part of the problem.  The NFL could nip it in the bud if they wanted to.

It's not the protest that is the distraction.  It's the media attention that comes along with it that is the distraction.  Yes, it's a story...but the media blew this thing so far out of proportion last year.  Not sure how the NFL could really do anything about that.....it's more of a media problem than an NFL problem.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  And you're not wrong, the media has definitely blown it out of proportion.  Just seems to me a multi-billion dollar league of professionals could act professional and not allow the media circus to distract them from their objective of winning games making more revenue.

Yep, but unfortunately that media circus is inevitable in this case.  The media fucking salivates at a story like this.  There's no way that Kap being on your team isn't going to be a giant distraction...I absolutely wouldn't want my team to sign him.  

I remember this very same sentiment going on when Michael Sam was around.  It was the media that made it a story.

OK, so what's your point?  You don't think the media overhyped the shit out of the Kaepernick story???  

EdsonNascimento said:

brianlux said:

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong

Wrong

Just because people don't react the way you want doesn't mean whatever you're talking about means nothing to them.

He's a back up QB with baggage that wants Starting QB money.  It's not a mystery why he doesn't have a job.  Sometimes (a lot of times) the simple answer is the right answer.  If he could help a team, they would take him on.  But, yes his baggage (as with all players - and employees for that matter) factors into the equation.

He opted out of his contract. Oops!

I wouldn't say the shirt is wrong, it's more a commentary on people's reaction and media reaction. Police abuse doesn't get acknowledged unless there's clear video of it happening. Even in those cases it will be debated or denied. It all tends to fit the framework that white people have constructed: cops are trustworthy, and if there are a few bad apples, oh well. New information about racism and policing can be assismilated and considered, or it can be rejected consciously (see: Blue lives matter creation).  

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

EdsonNascimento said:

brianlux said:

Wrong.

Wrong.

Wrong

Wrong

Just because people don't react the way you want doesn't mean whatever you're talking about means nothing to them.

He's a back up QB with baggage that wants Starting QB money.  It's not a mystery why he doesn't have a job.  Sometimes (a lot of times) the simple answer is the right answer.  If he could help a team, they would take him on.  But, yes his baggage (as with all players - and employees for that matter) factors into the equation.

He opted out of his contract. Oops!

Stop viewing a silent protest as "having baggage."  Jesus fucking Christ.

it's far from silent when millions of people are watching you do it.  silent would be doing it in his own place by himself, not at work in front of a television audience...for what it's worth.

Huh?

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

Go Beavers said:

A good experiment would be to have Brady and Brees take a knee and then see what happens to their career trajectory. 

Nothing would happen.  Those guys are future hall of fame QBs.  I don't get what is so hard to understand about teams not wanting to deal with a media circus for a fucking backup QB?!?!?  A backup QB is not worth the type of distraction that this would bring.  Plain and simple.

The NFL needs to reconsider it's media standards.  I see where you're coming from, but the fact that a peaceful protest is viewed as a distraction, nuisance, etc is a huge part of the problem.  The NFL could nip it in the bud if they wanted to.

It's not the protest that is the distraction.  It's the media attention that comes along with it that is the distraction.  Yes, it's a story...but the media blew this thing so far out of proportion last year.  Not sure how the NFL could really do anything about that.....it's more of a media problem than an NFL problem.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  And you're not wrong, the media has definitely blown it out of proportion.  Just seems to me a multi-billion dollar league of professionals could act professional and not allow the media circus to distract them from their objective of winning games making more revenue.

Yep, but unfortunately that media circus is inevitable in this case.  The media fucking salivates at a story like this.  There's no way that Kap being on your team isn't going to be a giant distraction...I absolutely wouldn't want my team to sign him.  

I remember this very same sentiment going on when Michael Sam was around.  It was the media that made it a story.

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

Go Beavers said:

A good experiment would be to have Brady and Brees take a knee and then see what happens to their career trajectory. 

Nothing would happen.  Those guys are future hall of fame QBs.  I don't get what is so hard to understand about teams not wanting to deal with a media circus for a fucking backup QB?!?!?  A backup QB is not worth the type of distraction that this would bring.  Plain and simple.

The NFL needs to reconsider it's media standards.  I see where you're coming from, but the fact that a peaceful protest is viewed as a distraction, nuisance, etc is a huge part of the problem.  The NFL could nip it in the bud if they wanted to.

It's not the protest that is the distraction.  It's the media attention that comes along with it that is the distraction.  Yes, it's a story...but the media blew this thing so far out of proportion last year.  Not sure how the NFL could really do anything about that.....it's more of a media problem than an NFL problem.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  And you're not wrong, the media has definitely blown it out of proportion.  Just seems to me a multi-billion dollar league of professionals could act professional and not allow the media circus to distract them from their objective of winning games making more revenue.

Yep, but unfortunately that media circus is inevitable in this case.  The media fucking salivates at a story like this.  There's no way that Kap being on your team isn't going to be a giant distraction...I absolutely wouldn't want my team to sign him.  

I remember this very same sentiment going on when Michael Sam was around.  It was the media that made it a story.

OK, so what's your point?  You don't think the media overhyped the shit out of the Kaepernick story???  

Please see original comment in Bold Italics.

So yes, I believe the media blew this story wide open and made it about what he was doing rather than what he was doing it for.  I think that his back and forth with the Cuban reporter was an educated retort that also got blown out of proportion.

tempo_n_groove said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

Go Beavers said:

A good experiment would be to have Brady and Brees take a knee and then see what happens to their career trajectory. 

Nothing would happen.  Those guys are future hall of fame QBs.  I don't get what is so hard to understand about teams not wanting to deal with a media circus for a fucking backup QB?!?!?  A backup QB is not worth the type of distraction that this would bring.  Plain and simple.

The NFL needs to reconsider it's media standards.  I see where you're coming from, but the fact that a peaceful protest is viewed as a distraction, nuisance, etc is a huge part of the problem.  The NFL could nip it in the bud if they wanted to.

It's not the protest that is the distraction.  It's the media attention that comes along with it that is the distraction.  Yes, it's a story...but the media blew this thing so far out of proportion last year.  Not sure how the NFL could really do anything about that.....it's more of a media problem than an NFL problem.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  And you're not wrong, the media has definitely blown it out of proportion.  Just seems to me a multi-billion dollar league of professionals could act professional and not allow the media circus to distract them from their objective of winning games making more revenue.

Yep, but unfortunately that media circus is inevitable in this case.  The media fucking salivates at a story like this.  There's no way that Kap being on your team isn't going to be a giant distraction...I absolutely wouldn't want my team to sign him.  

I remember this very same sentiment going on when Michael Sam was around.  It was the media that made it a story.

Indifference71 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Indifference71 said:

Go Beavers said:

A good experiment would be to have Brady and Brees take a knee and then see what happens to their career trajectory. 

Nothing would happen.  Those guys are future hall of fame QBs.  I don't get what is so hard to understand about teams not wanting to deal with a media circus for a fucking backup QB?!?!?  A backup QB is not worth the type of distraction that this would bring.  Plain and simple.

The NFL needs to reconsider it's media standards.  I see where you're coming from, but the fact that a peaceful protest is viewed as a distraction, nuisance, etc is a huge part of the problem.  The NFL could nip it in the bud if they wanted to.

It's not the protest that is the distraction.  It's the media attention that comes along with it that is the distraction.  Yes, it's a story...but the media blew this thing so far out of proportion last year.  Not sure how the NFL could really do anything about that.....it's more of a media problem than an NFL problem.

Yeah, I know what you mean.  And you're not wrong, the media has definitely blown it out of proportion.  Just seems to me a multi-billion dollar league of professionals could act professional and not allow the media circus to distract them from their objective of winning games making more revenue.

Yep, but unfortunately that media circus is inevitable in this case.  The media fucking salivates at a story like this.  There's no way that Kap being on your team isn't going to be a giant distraction...I absolutely wouldn't want my team to sign him.  

I remember this very same sentiment going on when Michael Sam was around.  It was the media that made it a story.

OK, so what's your point?  You don't think the media overhyped the shit out of the Kaepernick story???  

Please see original comment in Bold Italics.

So yes, I believe the media blew this story wide open and made it about what he was doing rather than what he was doing it for.  I think that his back and forth with the Cuban reporter was an educated retort that also got blown out of proportion.

Gotcha. I misinterpreted what you were saying there.  

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/900358408280436739

I had mentioned earlier that he appeared to be making good on his promise.

I am not a fan, but at a bare minimum, one has to give him credit for that.

Cliffy6745 said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

https://twitter.com/darrenrovell/status/900358408280436739

i respect him for keeping to his pledge. good for him

^^Peter Norman (white guy on the podium) is the unsung hero of that picture. It was his idea for the one glove on each hand.  He's also rocking a human rights badge on his jacket.  

He had it way worse when he got back to Australia than Smith or Carlos did here.  Awful backlash.  It ended his athletic career. Both men were his pallbearers when Peter died.  Just an interesting sidenote