Kaepernick

tbergs

HesCalledDyer said:

So plea guilty to a felony and it's not enough to condemn someone from the league, but do absolutely nothing illegal or zero harm to anyone or anything and get blackballed.

This is why the NFL is a fucking joke. 

Agreed. It seems the NFL (and most of America sadly) really only does care about what happens on the field. Go home and beat your wife/gf, get high as fuck, drive drunk, carry guns and use them inappropriately, but do not kneel during the anthem because that shit is not in line with our moral values. There is no need to wonder why we have the worst president in the history of our country right now with thinking like this.

This coming from a non Kap fan, but it was his right to do so. No law was broken unlike 50% of the leisure activities and habits of his co-workers.  

pjhawks

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

Why the fuck did Michael Vick and Ray Lewis have celebrated NFL career's then?

because they were better players. Lewis is a Hall of Famer and Vick was an MVP type talent.  If Kaepernick was better he'd be employed. 

pjhawks

HesCalledDyer said:

Colin Kaepernick did nothing illegal.  He harmed no one or nothing.  He made a peaceful protest against police brutality on black people.  Which, by the way, is a right protected by those who fought for this country.  The whole "disrespect the veterans/flag/country" line is utterly ridiculous.  He was exercising the very right those people fought for. 

This country is fucking insane with patriotism disguised for racism.

I've never thought he was a great QB.  But for fuck's sake.  If Jay god damn Cutler can get a freaking job - the fuck's he EVER done to prove he's worth a starting job?  Whoever's starting for the Browns or Jets... give me a damn break.

Cutler was signed by a team whose coach was his former offensive coordinator. they have history there. that is why he was signed by the Dolphins.

see my post above.  if you have two people at the same skill level as an employer you are going to take the one with less baggage.  Right or wrong Kaepernick now has some baggage for a guy who wasn't good recently. 

HesCalledDyer

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

Why the fuck did Michael Vick and Ray Lewis have celebrated NFL career's then?

because they were better players. Lewis is a Hall of Famer and Vick was an MVP type talent.  If Kaepernick was better he'd be employed. 

That's not the issue and you know it.  If it was, why make the argument you made previously?

tbergs

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

Why the fuck did Michael Vick and Ray Lewis have celebrated NFL career's then?

because they were better players. Lewis is a Hall of Famer and Vick was an MVP type talent.  If Kaepernick was better he'd be employed. 

Seriously? Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Trent fucking Dilfer. So Colin Kaepernick can't even be a back-up, QB on any team in the league right now? That's BS. Here's a list from ESPN of QB's. Kap is worse than all of them?

http://www.espn.com/nfl/players/_/position/qb

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

Why the fuck did Michael Vick and Ray Lewis have celebrated NFL career's then?

because they were better players. Lewis is a Hall of Famer and Vick was an MVP type talent.  If Kaepernick was better he'd be employed. 

Again... Vick was not Joe Montana. He flashed briefly. The dog incident never escaped him. After that... he was damaged goods.

You guys are talking as if Kap is a generational talent. He's okay- a decent back up on a good team and a terrible starter for a bad one.

He was very disliked prior to the kneeling down stance he took. If teams could use his help... they'd employ him just as you stated in your post (winning trumps everything).

He is a marginal player that has a poor reputation as a teammate. Who wants any part of that when the market is flush with similar players possessing better locker room qualities.

pjhawks

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

I don't agree with much Richard Sherman ever says, but he hit the nail on the head with a 10-ton hydraulic press.

except Richard will someday himself learn when the skills erode and they can find someone equally as good an employer will always choose the good soldier over the one who wants to stir the pot. it's not complicated.  yea you can speak your mind, but it doesn't mean there might not be consequences from employers.

Edit: and i haven't looked for it but i'm still waiting to see where Kaep supposedly donated his million dollars to as he pledged to do last year.

Why the fuck did Michael Vick and Ray Lewis have celebrated NFL career's then?

because they were better players. Lewis is a Hall of Famer and Vick was an MVP type talent.  If Kaepernick was better he'd be employed. 

That's not the issue and you know it.  If it was, why make the argument you made previously?

what argument are you referring to? 

HesCalledDyer

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Colin Kaepernick did nothing illegal.  He harmed no one or nothing.  He made a peaceful protest against police brutality on black people.  Which, by the way, is a right protected by those who fought for this country.  The whole "disrespect the veterans/flag/country" line is utterly ridiculous.  He was exercising the very right those people fought for. 

This country is fucking insane with patriotism disguised for racism.

I've never thought he was a great QB.  But for fuck's sake.  If Jay god damn Cutler can get a freaking job - the fuck's he EVER done to prove he's worth a starting job?  Whoever's starting for the Browns or Jets... give me a damn break.

Cutler was signed by a team whose coach was his former offensive coordinator. they have history there. that is why he was signed by the Dolphins.

see my post above.  if you have two people at the same skill level as an employer you are going to take the one with less baggage.  Right or wrong Kaepernick now has some baggage for a guy who wasn't good recently. 

Less fucking baggage?  Dude, are you actually reading what you type before you post it??

KILLING FUCKING DOGS AND OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE  - TWO FELONIES - is LESS FUCKING BAGGAGE THAN A PEACEFUL FUCKING PROTEST???

You and I are done here.

pjhawks

HesCalledDyer said:

pjhawks said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Colin Kaepernick did nothing illegal.  He harmed no one or nothing.  He made a peaceful protest against police brutality on black people.  Which, by the way, is a right protected by those who fought for this country.  The whole "disrespect the veterans/flag/country" line is utterly ridiculous.  He was exercising the very right those people fought for. 

This country is fucking insane with patriotism disguised for racism.

I've never thought he was a great QB.  But for fuck's sake.  If Jay god damn Cutler can get a freaking job - the fuck's he EVER done to prove he's worth a starting job?  Whoever's starting for the Browns or Jets... give me a damn break.

Cutler was signed by a team whose coach was his former offensive coordinator. they have history there. that is why he was signed by the Dolphins.

see my post above.  if you have two people at the same skill level as an employer you are going to take the one with less baggage.  Right or wrong Kaepernick now has some baggage for a guy who wasn't good recently. 

Less fucking baggage?  Dude, are you actually reading what you type before you post it??

KILLING FUCKING DOGS AND OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE  - TWO FELONIES - is LESS FUCKING BAGGAGE THAN A PEACEFUL FUCKING PROTEST???

You and I are done here.

woah woah woah I never made judgment on their baggage.   i agree with you 1000% that Lewis and Vick's baggage was 1000x worse.  No team chose Lewis or Vick over Kaepernick.  The teams currently looking for backups aren't weighing Kaepernick vs. Vick or Lewis. they are weighing him against the other current players out there.  no idea why that wasn't easily understood but maybe that was asking too much. i'll say it again. if Kaepernick was a better player he'd be employed like Richard Sherman still is.

OnWis97

Kaep does not have less baggage.  Nor is he nearly as bad of a guy as people like Vick, Greg Hardy, and the other violent sociopaths that get jobs in the NFL.

And anyone suggesting that Kaep's unemployment is primarily about his on-field play is not being intellectually honest.  Nobody really believes he's not one of the 96 best QB, do they?  So yeah, it's about the "distraction" combined with the fact that he's not a star.  If teams thought he could be a top-20 starter right now, he'd have over a dozen teams looking to get him. But since he appears to be marginal starter/quality backup at this point, they don't want to put up with it.  And it's aggravating.

I have a real problem with the fact that Joe Mixon was drafted while Kaepernick's career is probably over.  The question is, who is my problem with?  Yeah, the NFL gets too hung up on this "distraction" canard (which I believe also cost Tim Tebow his opportunity).  Yeah, it's hypocritical to give actual criminals jobs. But my real beef is with the fans.  NFL fans are the worst.  While fans grumble about the Vicks and Hardys, Kaep is the only player who's employment actually threatens to chase fans away.  Not only are NFL fans the drunkenest, most boorish and insufferable fans there are, but when they are not busy calling people like us "snowflakes" they are showing their own snowflakiness by losing their damn minds that someone is not following patriotism protocol the way they would.  He's doing it non-violently, he's doing it for a cause (a cause that the average NFL fan is against), and he's putting his time and his money where his mouth is.  And he's a bigger public enemy than Joe Mixon.  And it's the left that's intolerant of diverging opinions and philosophies.  Kaepernick's been the class of this whole thing.

So do I boycott the NFL or do I have to understand that the NFL has no choice but to blackball him lest their snowflake fans tune out.  Neither, but between this and the CTE issue, I think my already waning interest (do to overexposure, primarily) will just sort of continue until it's gone...of course if the freaking Vikings look like they're going to get that Super Bowl monkey off their back, I'll probably tune in...until the other shoe drops.

Indifference71

The funny part about this whole thing to me is that it's a lot of the media that is all up in arms over no team signing Kaepernick and they are the exact fucking reason that no one is signing him!!!  The media created this fucking circus with this story.   Is Kaepernick good enough to be a backup?  Absolutely.  But I don't blame a team one bit for not wanting that type of distraction all for a backup QB.  

Thirty Bills Unpaid

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

HesCalledDyer

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

JC29856

I'll take the word of one of the best cover CBs ever regarding who Kaep is better than.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

Do you honestly believe the owners got together and collectively agreed to blackball him from playing?

His talent level is marginal. Given he doesn't definitively stand out from his peers... and given he has alienated many fans and other players... he's not desirable when there are other options that 'debatably' are as good.

pjhawks

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

Do you honestly believe the owners got together and collectively agreed to blackball him from playing?

His talent level is marginal. Given he doesn't definitively stand out from his peers... and given he has alienated many fans and other players... he's not desirable when there are other options that 'debatably' are as good.

yea i don't get why some are having a hard time with this concept. it's really not difficult to understand.

Indifference71

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

He could definitely be a backup and maybe start for a few teams.  But he's definitely not good enough to bring in and deal with the media circus that comes along with him.  I have no problem with his protest and I also have no problem with teams not wanting to sign him because of all the nonsense that would come along with it.  

oftenreading

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

He could definitely be a backup and maybe start for a few teams.  But he's definitely not good enough to bring in and deal with the media circus that comes along with him.  I have no problem with his protest and I also have no problem with teams not wanting to sign him because of all the nonsense that would come along with it.  

To my mind, it's the fact that a lawful protest of a legitimate issue being viewed as "nonsense" that's the issue. 

HesCalledDyer

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

Do you honestly believe the owners got together and collectively agreed to blackball him from playing?

His talent level is marginal. Given he doesn't definitively stand out from his peers... and given he has alienated many fans and other players... he's not desirable when there are other options that 'debatably' are as good.

I don't think they collectively got together in some board room, no.  I've never made that claim.  It's still apparent what is going on, though. 

It's kind of funny now that the argument has turned from "asshole should've stood up for the anthem and he'd have a job" to "his talent is not good enough to land a job."

Which is it?  You can't argue one then say it isn't because of that, it's this instead.

Indifference71

oftenreading said:

Indifference71 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

The NFL has shown time and time again that teams are willing to overlook indiscretions when the opportunity to acquire talent presents itself.

If Kap could play a lick... he'd have a job. Simple as that. There is no collusion amongst owners to blackball the guy as much as that fits the running narrative for some.

You can't honestly believe he is worse than EVERY other QB in the league - starters, 2nd string, 3rd string, & rookies combined?  He could easily start for about 10 teams, and could at least to be a backup on all 32.

He could definitely be a backup and maybe start for a few teams.  But he's definitely not good enough to bring in and deal with the media circus that comes along with him.  I have no problem with his protest and I also have no problem with teams not wanting to sign him because of all the nonsense that would come along with it.  

To my mind, it's the fact that a lawful protest of a legitimate issue being viewed as "nonsense" that's the issue. 

I didn't say the protest was nonsense.  I said I had no problem with that.  The nonsense is the gigantic media circus that would certainly follow him to any team that signed him.  I don't blame teams at all for not wanting that type of distraction.