I agree the message is being lost, but because of fucking Trump and his minions. However, there are plenty of people steering folks back to the original message, so I think it's all good. Plus, I think the conversation about what nationalism and patriotism really is all about is also an important subject that is now being widely debated in America. Nothing wrong with that either. (and I understand what you're saying, but I obviously just do not think there is a disconnect at all with the CFL thing - I think it makes perfect sense). I'm not sure what you mean by one-sided coverage. I mean... I think it's pretty obvious to the majority of people who is on the right side of history in this debate. I don't feel bad for those who are on the wrong side. I'm just glad it's a minority. I'm sure if you look for media coverage that is against this and totally outraged by the so-called disrespect this righteous protest displays, I'm sure it would only take a very quick google search. Or just check out Trump's twitter feed.
Are you sure about that? I think most people stand behind President Trump. It'll be interesting to see his popularity level in a few weeks...I would not be surprised if it's north of 50%. This issue is all emotion for most people. Those old enough might remember George Bush the First's "Family Values" speech. It was every bit as out of the element of his job as this is to Trump's. But Americans ate it up...for a little while anyway.
"Most people" have not stood behind President Trump at any time on any issue. Not on election day and not today.
All the kneeling in the world isn't going to make an immediate change, but it raises awareness. If someone kneels once to show they support it, do they need to keep kneeling until some goal is achieved or is doing it once enough to make the point that they support it now and moving forward even if they don't make the overt action again? I think this is where a lot of people are getting hung up. Just because no one kneeled before this and may never kneel again, doesn't mean they aren't fighting for equality in other ways.
I do also think that dots are being connected that don't exist; i.e. the SOB comment. I just viewed it as what it was, an inappropriate, stupid and poorly stated opinion on the matter. Making it in to a racist statement is stretching it, but is being done because of everything in his past repertoire of commentary.
I agree the message is being lost, but because of fucking Trump and his minions. However, there are plenty of people steering folks back to the original message, so I think it's all good. Plus, I think the conversation about what nationalism and patriotism really is all about is also an important subject that is now being widely debated in America. Nothing wrong with that either. (and I understand what you're saying, but I obviously just do not think there is a disconnect at all with the CFL thing - I think it makes perfect sense). I'm not sure what you mean by one-sided coverage. I mean... I think it's pretty obvious to the majority of people who is on the right side of history in this debate. I don't feel bad for those who are on the wrong side. I'm just glad it's a minority. I'm sure if you look for media coverage that is against this and totally outraged by the so-called disrespect this righteous protest, I'm sure it would only take a very quick google search. Or just check out Trump's twitter feed.
I need to sign off for awhile, but I just want to mention that what I've bolded is a potentially dangerous way to think, in my opinion, because it implies a certain dismissiveness to the other side of the discussion. For me it's along the lines of the mentality that it's ok to punch a Nazi. It starts us all down a slippery slope.
Part of why I jumped in here is to try and gain better understanding of what's going on here, even knowing I fall in the minority on this specific forum and likely won't agree with the majority opinion. I think I do understand a bit better (thanks to everyone for your insights), even if my song remains the same, so to speak, lol.
It's a slippery slope to say people take the wrong side on issues? No. There's a zillion issues that people are wrong on, and the people on the other side are right. People might feel dismissed when they find themselves on the wrong side, but oh well. Finding common ground doesn't mean you can't say one side is right.
I agree the message is being lost, but because of fucking Trump and his minions. However, there are plenty of people steering folks back to the original message, so I think it's all good. Plus, I think the conversation about what nationalism and patriotism really is all about is also an important subject that is now being widely debated in America. Nothing wrong with that either. (and I understand what you're saying, but I obviously just do not think there is a disconnect at all with the CFL thing - I think it makes perfect sense). I'm not sure what you mean by one-sided coverage. I mean... I think it's pretty obvious to the majority of people who is on the right side of history in this debate. I don't feel bad for those who are on the wrong side. I'm just glad it's a minority. I'm sure if you look for media coverage that is against this and totally outraged by the so-called disrespect this righteous protest displays, I'm sure it would only take a very quick google search. Or just check out Trump's twitter feed.
Are you sure about that? I think most people stand behind President Trump. It'll be interesting to see his popularity level in a few weeks...I would not be surprised if it's north of 50%. This issue is all emotion for most people. Those old enough might remember George Bush the First's "Family Values" speech. It was every bit as out of the element of his job as this is to Trump's. But Americans ate it up...for a little while anyway.
Huh? You think most people stand behind President Trump? Okie dokie, lol. I see no point in even bothering to debate a fabrication of that magnitude. You may as well have just argued that grass is made of concrete.
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I agree the message is being lost, but because of fucking Trump and his minions. However, there are plenty of people steering folks back to the original message, so I think it's all good. Plus, I think the conversation about what nationalism and patriotism really is all about is also an important subject that is now being widely debated in America. Nothing wrong with that either. (and I understand what you're saying, but I obviously just do not think there is a disconnect at all with the CFL thing - I think it makes perfect sense). I'm not sure what you mean by one-sided coverage. I mean... I think it's pretty obvious to the majority of people who is on the right side of history in this debate. I don't feel bad for those who are on the wrong side. I'm just glad it's a minority. I'm sure if you look for media coverage that is against this and totally outraged by the so-called disrespect this righteous protest displays, I'm sure it would only take a very quick google search. Or just check out Trump's twitter feed.
Are you sure about that? I think most people stand behind President Trump. It'll be interesting to see his popularity level in a few weeks...I would not be surprised if it's north of 50%. This issue is all emotion for most people. Those old enough might remember George Bush the First's "Family Values" speech. It was every bit as out of the element of his job as this is to Trump's. But Americans ate it up...for a little while anyway.
Huh? You think most people stand behind President Trump? Okie dokie, lol. I see no point in even bothering to debate a fabrication of that magnitude. You may as well have just argued that grass is made of concrete.
I haven't heard or seen anything to contradict the above statement.
I agree the message is being lost, but because of fucking Trump and his minions. However, there are plenty of people steering folks back to the original message, so I think it's all good. Plus, I think the conversation about what nationalism and patriotism really is all about is also an important subject that is now being widely debated in America. Nothing wrong with that either. (and I understand what you're saying, but I obviously just do not think there is a disconnect at all with the CFL thing - I think it makes perfect sense). I'm not sure what you mean by one-sided coverage. I mean... I think it's pretty obvious to the majority of people who is on the right side of history in this debate. I don't feel bad for those who are on the wrong side. I'm just glad it's a minority. I'm sure if you look for media coverage that is against this and totally outraged by the so-called disrespect this righteous protest displays, I'm sure it would only take a very quick google search. Or just check out Trump's twitter feed.
Are you sure about that? I think most people stand behind President Trump. It'll be interesting to see his popularity level in a few weeks...I would not be surprised if it's north of 50%. This issue is all emotion for most people. Those old enough might remember George Bush the First's "Family Values" speech. It was every bit as out of the element of his job as this is to Trump's. But Americans ate it up...for a little while anyway.
Huh? You think most people stand behind President Trump? Okie dokie, lol. I see no point in even bothering to debate a fabrication of that magnitude. You may as well have just argued that grass is made of concrete.
I haven't heard or seen anything to contradict the above statement.
Pardon? 33% approval ratings don't mean anything? Or a minority of votes for him in the election? Or the insane differences in turn out for pro-Trump events vs anti-Trump events?
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As a person who thinks football is silly, and doesn’t like president trump, I think kneeling during the anthem is gross. It seems like trump baited football players, and now they all look like disrespectful ass hats.
As a person who thinks football is silly, and doesn’t like president trump, I think kneeling during the anthem is gross. It seems like trump baited football players, and now they all look like disrespectful ass hats.
I found it silly that the president spent the better part of 3 days tweeting, speaking and publicly addressing players kneeling during the anthem, but has yet to make one remark about the importance of ending racism, injustice and inequality in this country.
Trump's rallying cry:
Honor the flag! Fuck the people! Stand and hail! Minorities in jail! Patriots, freedom fighters! SOB's, incitors!
I'm kinda curious if any people in the stands are kneeling (or sitting) or anything?
They are cursing at the beer vendor to pour that $11 Miller Light because kick off is in three minutes (I'm guilty .. it's like the concessions don't want to make money)
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As a person who thinks football is silly, and doesn’t like president trump, I think kneeling during the anthem is gross. It seems like trump baited football players, and now they all look like disrespectful ass hats.
I found it silly that the president spent the better part of 3 days tweeting, speaking and publicly addressing players kneeling during the anthem, but has yet to make one remark about the importance of ending racism, injustice and inequality in this country.
Trump's rallying cry:
Honor the flag! Fuck the people! Stand and hail! Minorities in jail! Patriots, freedom fighters! SOB's, incitors!
Or focus on Puerto Rico, Houston, etc.
More than anything, he just wast golf and fart. Oh, I mean golf cart.
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Here is an article about the "taking of the knee" and also one of why the protest was created, and an opinion piece of what happened during last weekend's football games:
"Boyer wrote an opinion piece for Military Times this week where he talked about his conflicting emotions when he saw Kaepernick’s protest at lats week’s game. He met Kaepernick and 49ers safety Eric Reid in San Diego and the three men talked for 90 minutes before the game.
When the anthem played before the game, the two players took a knee instead of sitting."
"In early 2016, I began paying attention to reports about the incredible number of unarmed black people being killed by the police. The posts on social media deeply disturbed me, but one in particular brought me to tears: the killing of Alton Sterling in my hometown Baton Rouge, La. This could have happened to any of my family members who still live in the area. I felt furious, hurt and hopeless. I wanted to do something, but didn’t know what or how to do it. All I knew for sure is that I wanted it to be as respectful as possible."
"Such a situation could well incite a fury of anger and frustration. Yet with the act of kneeling, these rare, gifted, often doomed human beings are shrouding their protest in a kind of self-abasement; a display of vulnerability and piety in the face of iron injustice. It is a humility couched in a majesty of pride, dignity, strength and unusual accomplishment. Kneeling in protest is out of the playbook of Dr. King, not Malcolm X."
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This was Dale Earnhardt Jr's tweet a few days ago. If you aren't familiar with whom he is, he has been NASCARs most popular driver for like 10 years in a row. The man is HUGE in the sport. For him to do this is amazing.
A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
Crazy. Not because he was accused or murder or plead guilty to obstruction... but because he fuckin' knelt.
A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
Crazy. Not because he was accused or murder or plead guilty to obstruction... but because he fuckin' knelt.
A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
Crazy. Not because he was accused or murder or plead guilty to obstruction... but because he fuckin' knelt.
Actually there are a lot of people that don't like how that case went down. People think it was very shady and Lewis did do it. Read up on the case, it'll make you think.
A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
Crazy. Not because he was accused or murder or plead guilty to obstruction... but because he fuckin' knelt.
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I think that was confirmed by the relative quiet of employment of people like Joe Mixon and the unemployment of Kaepernick.
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A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
Crazy. Not because he was accused or murder or plead guilty to obstruction... but because he fuckin' knelt.
Actually there are a lot of people that don't like how that case went down. People think it was very shady and Lewis did do it. Read up on the case, it'll make you think.
Yeah, but I think the point is that it didn't inspire enough ire for them to fight for his statue to come down. Only the kneeling could get people's blood pumping that much.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
A petition has passed 25,000 signatures to remove the Ray Lewis statue because of his decision to kneel on both knees was to "simply honor God in the midst of chaos."
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
Crazy. Not because he was accused or murder or plead guilty to obstruction... but because he fuckin' knelt.
Actually there are a lot of people that don't like how that case went down. People think it was very shady and Lewis did do it. Read up on the case, it'll make you think.
Yeah, but I think the point is that it didn't inspire enough ire for them to fight for his statue to come down. Only the kneeling could get people's blood pumping that much.
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I do also think that dots are being connected that don't exist; i.e. the SOB comment. I just viewed it as what it was, an inappropriate, stupid and poorly stated opinion on the matter. Making it in to a racist statement is stretching it, but is being done because of everything in his past repertoire of commentary.
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Just more immature jealous narcissism at work
Trump's rallying cry:
Honor the flag!
Fuck the people!
Stand and hail!
Minorities in jail!
Patriots, freedom fighters!
SOB's, incitors!
More than anything, he just wast golf and fart. Oh, I mean golf cart.
http://www.newsweek.com/trumps-nfl-fight-dates-back-failed-usfl-experiment-80s-jeff-pearlman-670843
The NFL owners never wanted them in their club.
They did the same thing to Limbaugh. They wanted him no where near an NFL team.
https://undertheradar.military.com/2016/09/kaepernick-meets-veteran-nate-boyer-kneels-anthem/
"Boyer wrote an opinion piece for Military Times this week where he talked about his conflicting emotions when he saw Kaepernick’s protest at lats week’s game. He met Kaepernick and 49ers safety Eric Reid in San Diego and the three men talked for 90 minutes before the game.
When the anthem played before the game, the two players took a knee instead of sitting."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/colin-kaepernick-football-protests.html"In early 2016, I began paying attention to reports about the incredible number of unarmed black people being killed by the police. The posts on social media deeply disturbed me, but one in particular brought me to tears: the killing of Alton Sterling in my hometown Baton Rouge, La. This could have happened to any of my family members who still live in the area. I felt furious, hurt and hopeless. I wanted to do something, but didn’t know what or how to do it. All I knew for sure is that I wanted it to be as respectful as possible."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/25/opinion/nfl-football-kaepernick-take-knee.html
"Such a situation could well incite a fury of anger and frustration. Yet with the act of kneeling, these rare, gifted, often doomed human beings are shrouding their protest in a kind of self-abasement; a display of vulnerability and piety in the face of iron injustice. It is a humility couched in a majesty of pride, dignity, strength and unusual accomplishment. Kneeling in protest is out of the playbook of Dr. King, not Malcolm X."
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I didn't see anyone mention this.
Sorry I don't know how to share a damn tweet...
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/petition-remove-ray-lewis-statue-035824479.html
This is what it finally took for motivation to get a Stabby's statue removed??? America has turned into the movie P.C.U. before my very eyes.
(Note: Petitions don't really mean anything anymore when you can press a button on your phone. If you had to get off your butt and drive to your local supermarket to sign it they would have roughly 83 signatures)
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