Donald Trump

hurricanezeke said:

Go Beavers said:

Thanks for chiming in, zeke. A few reactions. I hope everyone maintains our typical amt niceties! Another, it's perspective, but based on what you wrote, you probably fall on the conservative part of the spectrum and not middle of the road. And I also have a question: as trump was being trump during the campaign (unprofessional, etc.), did you think that if he got elected, would he then become "presidential" now that things got serious?

By "in the middle" I mean to refer to the silent population that have an opinion but don't participate in the national conversation/argument. We shouldn't be lumped into the group of mouthpieces for the liberal left or far right.  
I was hopeful he would become more presidential.  In fact, during primaries, one of my biggest problems was that he didn't appear presidential. But I did not expect him to change.  It's foolish for us to think that he is going to change his life's work of personality. That's not to say I didn't expect him to "get serious".  

Did you feel like his business related skill set would carry over and that he'd run the White House like a CEO would? (My agenda with the questions is to understand trump voters, not be a twat. I'm still trying to figure this out)

DOJ appoints former FBI director Robert Mueller as special prosecutor to investigate Trump-Russia ties

Go Beavers said:

hurricanezeke said:

Go Beavers said:

Thanks for chiming in, zeke. A few reactions. I hope everyone maintains our typical amt niceties! Another, it's perspective, but based on what you wrote, you probably fall on the conservative part of the spectrum and not middle of the road. And I also have a question: as trump was being trump during the campaign (unprofessional, etc.), did you think that if he got elected, would he then become "presidential" now that things got serious?

By "in the middle" I mean to refer to the silent population that have an opinion but don't participate in the national conversation/argument. We shouldn't be lumped into the group of mouthpieces for the liberal left or far right.  
I was hopeful he would become more presidential.  In fact, during primaries, one of my biggest problems was that he didn't appear presidential. But I did not expect him to change.  It's foolish for us to think that he is going to change his life's work of personality. That's not to say I didn't expect him to "get serious".  

Did you feel like his business related skill set would carry over and that he'd run the White House like a CEO would? (My agenda with the questions is to understand trump voters, not be a twat. I'm still trying to figure this out)

I had that hope, yes.  That's part of the potential appeal.  So as a guy that's not a defender of everything Trump the big picture view is that I hope for a form of government presented by the republican campaign and not the democrat campaign.  

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

pjhawks said:

hurricanezeke said:

my2hands said:

Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!

I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  

I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 

My wife, mother and sister all voted for Donald Trump.  I will not speak on their behalf to defend their decision and I don't feel the need to reconcile in my mind.  

All I will venture is they will make a similar argument.  How do liberal women, many of whom supported Clinton in part because she's a woman, stand behind her knowing how she allowed her husband to treat their marriage?  

To me, these conversations take a very back seat to other political issues that I feel are more important (economics, immigration, etc).

Again, I'm not interested in debating this, but for every democrats opinion, there is an opposing republican opinion.  

Having a husband who cheats is not even close to comparable to sexual assault.

To answer your question, it is not offensive to women for another woman to choose to stay with a cheating husband, FYI. That is a personal decision, and any woman should just support every other woman's right to make her own personal decisions and manage their marriages any way they want to. I wouldn't have made the same decisions that Hillary did, but that doesn't mean I expect all women to act like I would in the face of cheating (and some women just don't care about shit like that going on in their marriage, which is also their right).

I may go back and edit, I don't mean to compare the offenses.  I would apply your same statement "women's right to make her own personal decisions" and apply it to their election decision.  
It's crazy to me how many of the women I interact with are judged negatively for their decision to vote for Donald Trump.  It has affected longtime personal relationships.  

What's interesting is that as a liberal, and the many liberal women I know, is that it's very difficult to get your brain around why a woman, in particular, would vote for trump. 

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

Go Beavers said:

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

pjhawks said:

hurricanezeke said:

my2hands said:

Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!

I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  

I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 

My wife, mother and sister all voted for Donald Trump.  I will not speak on their behalf to defend their decision and I don't feel the need to reconcile in my mind.  

All I will venture is they will make a similar argument.  How do liberal women, many of whom supported Clinton in part because she's a woman, stand behind her knowing how she allowed her husband to treat their marriage?  

To me, these conversations take a very back seat to other political issues that I feel are more important (economics, immigration, etc).

Again, I'm not interested in debating this, but for every democrats opinion, there is an opposing republican opinion.  

Having a husband who cheats is not even close to comparable to sexual assault.

To answer your question, it is not offensive to women for another woman to choose to stay with a cheating husband, FYI. That is a personal decision, and any woman should just support every other woman's right to make her own personal decisions and manage their marriages any way they want to. I wouldn't have made the same decisions that Hillary did, but that doesn't mean I expect all women to act like I would in the face of cheating (and some women just don't care about shit like that going on in their marriage, which is also their right).

I may go back and edit, I don't mean to compare the offenses.  I would apply your same statement "women's right to make her own personal decisions" and apply it to their election decision.  
It's crazy to me how many of the women I interact with are judged negatively for their decision to vote for Donald Trump.  It has affected longtime personal relationships.  

What's interesting is that as a liberal, and the many liberal women I know, is that it's very difficult to get your brain around why a woman, in particular, would vote for trump. 

Read
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html?_r=0

I think my wife, sister, mother would agree with most of this.  

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

pjhawks said:

hurricanezeke said:

my2hands said:

Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!

I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  

I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 

My wife, mother and sister all voted for Donald Trump.  I will not speak on their behalf to defend their decision and I don't feel the need to reconcile in my mind.  

All I will venture is they will make a similar argument.  How do liberal women, many of whom supported Clinton in part because she's a woman, stand behind her knowing how she allowed her husband to treat their marriage?  

To me, these conversations take a very back seat to other political issues that I feel are more important (economics, immigration, etc).

Again, I'm not interested in debating this, but for every democrats opinion, there is an opposing republican opinion.  

Having a husband who cheats is not even close to comparable to sexual assault.

To answer your question, it is not offensive to women for another woman to choose to stay with a cheating husband, FYI. That is a personal decision, and any woman should just support every other woman's right to make her own personal decisions and manage their marriages any way they want to. I wouldn't have made the same decisions that Hillary did, but that doesn't mean I expect all women to act like I would in the face of cheating (and some women just don't care about shit like that going on in their marriage, which is also their right).

I may go back and edit, I don't mean to compare the offenses.  I would apply your same statement "women's right to make her own personal decisions" and apply it to their election decision.  
It's crazy to me how many of the women I interact with are judged negatively for their decision to vote for Donald Trump.  It has affected longtime personal relationships.  

Yeah well... I admit I harshly judge women who voted for him too. And yes, of course they have the right to make their own personal decisions, including terrible ones. Supporting a woman's right to choose does not mean that you have to respect every decision they make. You can hate their decisions and still acknowledge their right to make it (a message I'd also like to send out to pro-lifers, lol). However, some decisions are simply more righteous than others. Voting for a sexual predator and trying to maintain a bad marriage are hardly in the same ballpark, and all things are almost never equal. I just don't think that not voting for a woman because she chose to try and salvage and bad marriage and voting for a sexual predator who has openly stated that women are inferior to men and who wants to fuck his own daughter are two things you can hold up next to each other and logically say 'if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander.' If a woman is going to vote for Trump instead of Hillary because Hillary stayed in a troubled marriage, then just how in the hell are they going to turn around and justify voting for TRUMP of all people, a man who has cheated MULTIPLE times, whose wife obviously can't stand him but stays with him anyhow, and who wants to fuck his daughter. I mean, if Hillary's marriage decisions are the justification for voting Trump, I call bullshit, or, at best, the most irrational form of hypocrisy I've ever heard of.
 

bra-fucking-vo. 

I usually ignore your posts, but I'll respond to the link. Those are interviews that highlight the illogical thinking of trump voters. Divides are happening in personal relationships because trump voters aren't explaining themselves past the point of questioning their logic when presented with facts.  

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

pjhawks said:

hurricanezeke said:

my2hands said:

Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!

I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  

I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 

My wife, mother and sister all voted for Donald Trump.  I will not speak on their behalf to defend their decision and I don't feel the need to reconcile in my mind.  

All I will venture is they will make a similar argument.  How do liberal women, many of whom supported Clinton in part because she's a woman, stand behind her knowing how she allowed her husband to treat their marriage?  

To me, these conversations take a very back seat to other political issues that I feel are more important (economics, immigration, etc).

Again, I'm not interested in debating this, but for every democrats opinion, there is an opposing republican opinion.  

Having a husband who cheats is not even close to comparable to sexual assault.

To answer your question, it is not offensive to women for another woman to choose to stay with a cheating husband, FYI. That is a personal decision, and any woman should just support every other woman's right to make her own personal decisions and manage their marriages any way they want to. I wouldn't have made the same decisions that Hillary did, but that doesn't mean I expect all women to act like I would in the face of cheating (and some women just don't care about shit like that going on in their marriage, which is also their right).

I may go back and edit, I don't mean to compare the offenses.  I would apply your same statement "women's right to make her own personal decisions" and apply it to their election decision.  
It's crazy to me how many of the women I interact with are judged negatively for their decision to vote for Donald Trump.  It has affected longtime personal relationships.  

Yeah well... I admit I harshly judge women who voted for him too. And yes, of course they have the right to make their own personal decisions, including terrible ones. Supporting a woman's right to choose does not mean that you have to respect every decision they make. You can hate their decisions and still acknowledge their right to make it (a message I'd also like to send out to pro-lifers, lol). However, some decisions are simply more righteous than others. Voting for a sexual predator and voting against trying to maintain a marriage are hardly in the same ballpark. I just don't think that not voting for a woman because she chose to try and salvage and bad marriage and voting for a sexual predator who has openly stated that women are inferior to men are two things you can hold up next to each other and logically say 'if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander.' If a woman is going to vote for Trump instead of Hillary because Hillary stayed in a troubled marriage, then just how in the hell are they going to turn around and justify voting for TRUMP of all people, a man who has cheated MULTIPLE times, whose wife obviously can't stand him but stays with him anyhow, and who wants to fuck his daughter. I mean, if Hillary's marriage decisions are the justification for voting Trump, I call bullshit, or, at best, the most irrational form of hypocrisy I've ever heard of.
 

Hey, I won't disagree with much or anything here.  And I won't speak for the women in my life or debate the underlying issues that affect others decision making.  That's not for an internet forum.  Too much is lost in an electronic conversation.  

My intent in coming here was to give insight into MY decision, which mostly revolves around the form of government I prefer. Donald Trump is the man nominated, thus my support (though he has presented very scary situations).  My priorities are conservative economics, small government, no expansion of public welfare systems (not elimination), no mandated health insurance, etc.  If that is what I believe in, voting for Clinton was not the best option.  

I'm afraid that no matter how eloquently I describe my ideologies, the problem will be that I'm "wrong" in the eyes of liberal supporters.  And that makes this a very difficult conversation.  

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

pjhawks said:

hurricanezeke said:

my2hands said:

Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!

I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  

I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 

My wife, mother and sister all voted for Donald Trump.  I will not speak on their behalf to defend their decision and I don't feel the need to reconcile in my mind.  

All I will venture is they will make a similar argument.  How do liberal women, many of whom supported Clinton in part because she's a woman, stand behind her knowing how she allowed her husband to treat their marriage?  

To me, these conversations take a very back seat to other political issues that I feel are more important (economics, immigration, etc).

Again, I'm not interested in debating this, but for every democrats opinion, there is an opposing republican opinion.  

Having a husband who cheats is not even close to comparable to sexual assault.

To answer your question, it is not offensive to women for another woman to choose to stay with a cheating husband, FYI. That is a personal decision, and any woman should just support every other woman's right to make her own personal decisions and manage their marriages any way they want to. I wouldn't have made the same decisions that Hillary did, but that doesn't mean I expect all women to act like I would in the face of cheating (and some women just don't care about shit like that going on in their marriage, which is also their right).

I may go back and edit, I don't mean to compare the offenses.  I would apply your same statement "women's right to make her own personal decisions" and apply it to their election decision.  
It's crazy to me how many of the women I interact with are judged negatively for their decision to vote for Donald Trump.  It has affected longtime personal relationships.  

Yeah well... I admit I harshly judge women who voted for him too. And yes, of course they have the right to make their own personal decisions, including terrible ones. Supporting a woman's right to choose does not mean that you have to respect every decision they make. You can hate their decisions and still acknowledge their right to make it (a message I'd also like to send out to pro-lifers, lol). However, some decisions are simply more righteous than others. Voting for a sexual predator and voting against trying to maintain a marriage are hardly in the same ballpark. I just don't think that not voting for a woman because she chose to try and salvage and bad marriage and voting for a sexual predator who has openly stated that women are inferior to men are two things you can hold up next to each other and logically say 'if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander.' If a woman is going to vote for Trump instead of Hillary because Hillary stayed in a troubled marriage, then just how in the hell are they going to turn around and justify voting for TRUMP of all people, a man who has cheated MULTIPLE times, whose wife obviously can't stand him but stays with him anyhow, and who wants to fuck his daughter. I mean, if Hillary's marriage decisions are the justification for voting Trump, I call bullshit, or, at best, the most irrational form of hypocrisy I've ever heard of.
 

Hey, I won't disagree with much or anything here.  And I won't speak for the women in my life or debate the underlying issues that affect others decision making.  That's not for an internet forum.  Too much is lost in an electronic conversation.  

My intent in coming here was to give insight into MY decision, which mostly revolves around the form of government I prefer. Donald Trump is the man nominated, thus my support (though he has presented very scary situations).  My priorities are conservative economics, small government, no expansion of public welfare systems (not elimination), no mandated health insurance, etc.  If that is what I believe in, voting for Clinton was not the best option.  

I'm afraid that no matter how eloquently I describe my ideologies, the problem will be that I'm "wrong" in the eyes of liberal supporters.  And that makes this a very difficult conversation.  

Conservatives being wrong comes out in the discussion of each policy and position. I understand you don't want that duscussion, so that's cool. What I see that's common among more rational trump voters is the building up of Clinton's negatives, and the minimization of trump's negatives. Then hope added on top. 

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

PJ_Soul said:

hurricanezeke said:

My wife, mother and sister all voted for Donald Trump.  I will not speak on their behalf to defend their decision and I don't feel the need to reconcile in my mind.  

All I will venture is they will make a similar argument.  How do liberal women, many of whom supported Clinton in part because she's a woman, stand behind her knowing how she allowed her husband to treat their marriage?  

To me, these conversations take a very back seat to other political issues that I feel are more important (economics, immigration, etc).

Again, I'm not interested in debating this, but for every democrats opinion, there is an opposing republican opinion.  

Having a husband who cheats is not even close to comparable to sexual assault.

To answer your question, it is not offensive to women for another woman to choose to stay with a cheating husband, FYI. That is a personal decision, and any woman should just support every other woman's right to make her own personal decisions and manage their marriages any way they want to. I wouldn't have made the same decisions that Hillary did, but that doesn't mean I expect all women to act like I would in the face of cheating (and some women just don't care about shit like that going on in their marriage, which is also their right).

I may go back and edit, I don't mean to compare the offenses.  I would apply your same statement "women's right to make her own personal decisions" and apply it to their election decision.  
It's crazy to me how many of the women I interact with are judged negatively for their decision to vote for Donald Trump.  It has affected longtime personal relationships.  

Yeah well... I admit I harshly judge women who voted for him too. And yes, of course they have the right to make their own personal decisions, including terrible ones. Supporting a woman's right to choose does not mean that you have to respect every decision they make. You can hate their decisions and still acknowledge their right to make it (a message I'd also like to send out to pro-lifers, lol). However, some decisions are simply more righteous than others. Voting for a sexual predator and voting against trying to maintain a marriage are hardly in the same ballpark. I just don't think that not voting for a woman because she chose to try and salvage and bad marriage and voting for a sexual predator who has openly stated that women are inferior to men are two things you can hold up next to each other and logically say 'if it's good for the goose it's good for the gander.' If a woman is going to vote for Trump instead of Hillary because Hillary stayed in a troubled marriage, then just how in the hell are they going to turn around and justify voting for TRUMP of all people, a man who has cheated MULTIPLE times, whose wife obviously can't stand him but stays with him anyhow, and who wants to fuck his daughter. I mean, if Hillary's marriage decisions are the justification for voting Trump, I call bullshit, or, at best, the most irrational form of hypocrisy I've ever heard of.
 

Hey, I won't disagree with much or anything here.  And I won't speak for the women in my life or debate the underlying issues that affect others decision making.  That's not for an internet forum.  Too much is lost in an electronic conversation.  

My intent in coming here was to give insight into MY decision, which mostly revolves around the form of government I prefer. Donald Trump is the man nominated, thus my support (though he has presented very scary situations).  My priorities are conservative economics, small government, no expansion of public welfare systems (not elimination), no mandated health insurance, etc.  If that is what I believe in, voting for Clinton was not the best option.  

I'm afraid that no matter how eloquently I describe my ideologies, the problem will be that I'm "wrong" in the eyes of liberal supporters.  And that makes this a very difficult conversation.  

Yes, it does make it a difficult conversation and I empathize with that. I think you're running into those difficulties because many (and not just liberals) think that the reality of Trump is not worth those things if you do support them, and also because Trump in fact does not represent any of those things in a responsible manner, if at all. I think many simply feel that a non-emotional argument defending a Trump vote just doesn't hold up to reality. Especially not the small government part, and especially considering his insane cabinet choices and all the kooky positions they stand for. So in short, and please forgive me for being blunt, I think a lot of people feel that justifications for a Trump vote at this point are quite irrational. Corrupt conflicts of interest and padding the wallets of billionaires do not seem like ideals that fiscal conservatives cherish, you know?

What I really can't wrap my mind around is the fact that a fiscally conservative Republican can support Trump any more than a left-learning person can. I truly don't get it. I don't understand how anyone can morally justify supporting Trump no matter where they stand in terms of economic policy. I mean, if someone who was corrupt, sexist, disgusting, perverted, dishonest, crazy, and unable to be coherent half the time ran for a leftist party that I would normally strongly support, and who shamelessly ran on a platform of racism, I would not be able to justify that vote. I simply won't vote for blatantly morally bankrupt people who sexually assault women and draw the admiration of the KKK. I would vote for any party but the one who has a person like that as a leader. I won't place my morals and decency or the reputation of my nation beneath fiscal preferences. A leader who supports unions and universal health care, legalizing pot and advancing alternate energy technologies, but also sexually assaults women, encourages violence at rallies, and thumbs their nose at our allies is not someone I would consider voting for. So....  maybe now you can see why a lot of people think you're "wrong" in voting for Trump? To them it is largely a matter of simple morality, even in the political arena, where morals live on a lower plane of existence already.

Plus, all the insane tweet rants, the looks in the eyes of his wife and youngest son, the serious nepotism problem, the way he's profiting personally through his decisions as President, the whole Russia thing, and the cuckoo-bananas anti-media propaganda that is truly Orwellian.... Yeah, sorry. I just don't understand how anyone can continue to say they are happy with their decision to vote this guy in, even if they like a few of his ideas. It just doesn't make any sense to me at all, and that's not for lack of trying to understand.

And ALL that said, I agree with mrussel1 - it would be nice if you stuck around. I don't say any of this with a personal touch, and am conscious of the possibility that it might offend you as a Trump voter. I think we all want more conservatives who are able to be reasonable and keep the rest of us honest.