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  • pjhawks
    pjhawks Posts: 12,929
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885

    President Trump has some very good points. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-critics-naysayers-unfair-treatment/ar-BBBfden?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp

    "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media," Trump said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down. You can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."

    "I guess that's why we won," he said, before continuing to offer the graduates his advice.

    "Adversity makes you stronger. Don't give in, don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right," Trump said. "Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy and the more righteous your fight, the more opposition that you will face."

  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    pjhawks said:
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
    Curious how many moms, wives, and daughters voted for Trump
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,578
    Thanks for chiming in, zeke. A few reactions. I hope everyone maintains our typical amt niceties! Another, it's perspective, but based on what you wrote, you probably fall on the conservative part of the spectrum and not middle of the road. And I also have a question: as trump was being trump during the campaign (unprofessional, etc.), did you think that if he got elected, would he then become "presidential" now that things got serious?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJPOWER said:
    pjhawks said:
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
    Curious how many moms, wives, and daughters voted for Trump
    Millions.
    But millions of women went to the polls for Mr. Trump on Election Day, including, according to surveys, 53 percent of white women.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html?_r=0
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    pjhawks said:
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
    Curious how many moms, wives, and daughters voted for Trump
    Millions.
    But millions of women went to the polls for Mr. Trump on Election Day, including, according to surveys, 53 percent of white women.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html?_r=0
    but I thought surveys and polls were all fake?
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    pjhawks said:
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
    Curious how many moms, wives, and daughters voted for Trump
    Millions.
    But millions of women went to the polls for Mr. Trump on Election Day, including, according to surveys, 53 percent of white women.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html?_r=0
    but I thought surveys and polls were all fake?
    Not when pjfanwillneverleave agrees with them, duh hugh!
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    PJPOWER said:
    pjhawks said:
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
    Curious how many moms, wives, and daughters voted for Trump
    Millions.
    But millions of women went to the polls for Mr. Trump on Election Day, including, according to surveys, 53 percent of white women.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/14/us/women-voters-trump.html?_r=0
    but I thought surveys and polls were all fake?

    Not if they tell the truth about President Trump.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,521
    :lol:
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Hahaha priceless! 
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    edited May 2017

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    President Trump has some very good points. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-critics-naysayers-unfair-treatment/ar-BBBfden?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp

    "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media," Trump said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down. You can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."

    "I guess that's why we won," he said, before continuing to offer the graduates his advice.

    "Adversity makes you stronger. Don't give in, don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right," Trump said. "Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy and the more righteous your fight, the more opposition that you will face."



    This was a commencement speech to the coast guard.
    Such an uplifting message to those folks who will be protecting our shores in the near future...

    Post edited by Kat on
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  • RiotZact
    RiotZact Posts: 6,293
    It has to be a joke, it just has to be.
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    rgambs said:
    Hahaha priceless! 

    I try
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    RiotZact said:
    It has to be a joke, it just has to be.

    Nothing is a joke in President Trump world.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,578
    The Juggler said:
    rgambs said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    President Trump has some very good points. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-critics-naysayers-unfair-treatment/ar-BBBfden?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp

    "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media," Trump said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down. You can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."

    "I guess that's why we won," he said, before continuing to offer the graduates his advice.

    "Adversity makes you stronger. Don't give in, don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right," Trump said. "Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy and the more righteous your fight, the more opposition that you will face."

    Awwww does da wittle baby snowfwake need his binky???


    This was a commencement speech to the coast guard.
    Such an uplifting message to those folks who will be protecting our shores in the near future...

    Did he talk about the 12% budget cut? You only get the bigly bucks if you can blow shit up. 
  • hurricanezeke
    hurricanezeke Posts: 177
    Go Beavers said:
    Thanks for chiming in, zeke. A few reactions. I hope everyone maintains our typical amt niceties! Another, it's perspective, but based on what you wrote, you probably fall on the conservative part of the spectrum and not middle of the road. And I also have a question: as trump was being trump during the campaign (unprofessional, etc.), did you think that if he got elected, would he then become "presidential" now that things got serious?
    By "in the middle" I mean to refer to the silent population that have an opinion but don't participate in the national conversation/argument. We shouldn't be lumped into the group of mouthpieces for the liberal left or far right.  
    I was hopeful he would become more presidential.  In fact, during primaries, one of my biggest problems was that he didn't appear presidential. But I did not expect him to change.  It's foolish for us to think that he is going to change his life's work of personality. That's not to say I didn't expect him to "get serious".  
    Atlanta 2003
    Columbia 2008
    Charlotte 2013
    Seattle 2013
    Greenville 2016
  • hurricanezeke
    hurricanezeke Posts: 177
    edited October 2021
    pjhawks said:
    hurricanezeke said:
    my2hands said:
    Who has the brass ones to admit they voted for Trump and regret it?

    I won't judge, just hoping for one honest soul out there!!!
    I'll bite here..  I read these conversations daily but don't post.  I find it interesting to read your differing opinions - I live in the highly conservative south where we don't hear as much of the liberal opinions (outside of the news media).  

    Perhaps I am like many - I am a college educated, white male conservative.  I agree strongly with republican ideologies - especially issues of economics, social programs, healthcare, border security and military strength.  I did not vote for Trump in the primaries.  He likely would have been my third or fourth choice at best.  Certainly his candidacy seemed unlikely to materialize, and I was a shocked as many to see him win the republican nomination.  

    So I did vote for Trump in the presidential election.  Many of his campaign messages did appeal to my ideology, and my alternative choice (Clinton) represents the opposite of many of my political feelings.  So I voted republican.  I am not an unwavering supporter of Donald Trump.  But during the election period I could not think positively about a Clinton presidency.  

    Today I'm very uneasy about the Trump presidency.  I don't have regret, because to me that would indicate that I should have voted differently.  But I'm not proud of what has transpired since the inauguration.  

    I don't think I view Trump with great positive "spin".  I don't stand behind his every move with support.  I believe he has made many missteps, but I also believe the news media has a determination to trash his presidency.  

    So, I'm still in wait and see mode.  If concrete proof of Trump's improprieties come to light, he should face the consequences that are appropriate.  And he'll deserve the media treatment.  But I will not jump to conclusions based on news reports yet to be confirmed.   

    I will not debate policy with any of you, I'm not interested in that.  But I think there are many out there with a similar story to mine.  We hear the very vocal far left and right, while many of us lie much more quietly, somewhere in the middle.  
    I'm always curious at those who admit for voting for Trump to know if their mom, wife, and/or daughters are ok with them voting for an admitted sexual abuser just because he had an R in front of his name.  Seriously I'm curious (and not trying to bash you) to know how you reconcile that in your mind. 
    Post edited by hurricanezeke on
    Atlanta 2003
    Columbia 2008
    Charlotte 2013
    Seattle 2013
    Greenville 2016
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,415
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    President Trump has some very good points. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-critics-naysayers-unfair-treatment/ar-BBBfden?li=AAadgLE&ocid=spartanntp

    "Look at the way I've been treated lately, especially by the media," Trump said. "No politician in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly. You can't let them get you down. You can't let the critics and the naysayers get in the way of your dreams."

    "I guess that's why we won," he said, before continuing to offer the graduates his advice.

    "Adversity makes you stronger. Don't give in, don't back down and never stop doing what you know is right," Trump said. "Nothing worth doing ever, ever, ever came easy and the more righteous your fight, the more opposition that you will face."

    Timothy McVeigh, David Koresh and Osama Bin Laden approve this message. 
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,883
    fife said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Two things I find interesting about this memo...

    First, there is no one coming out and defending him.  Why?  Well one reason is because anyone that comes out and defends him ends up getting burned by Trump himself within a day or two.  Perhaps there is no one willing to put their neck out again when Trump will cut it off himself.

    Second,no tweets on the issue.  Does Trump,realize the gravity of the situation?
    I don't know if no one is coming to defend him.  the truth is that the majority of the house by not speaking up against him are in a way defending him.  look at Paul  Ryan who even today is saying that he still has confidence in Trump. 


    I don't mean general defense like Ryan, rather specific rebuttals that are shortly proven to be false.  Nunes, Rosenstein and to a lesser extent McMaster has been burned. 
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,967
    Discuss the topic only please. Polite comments only to other members.
    Falling down,...not staying down
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