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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I am the first person that has said I wanted all of our troops back home and not patrolling another country without a formal declaration of war.

    But back to those politicians...let's talk about US soil.  We don't have a disagreement on foreign policy.  Let's talk about politicians and their domestic policy.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:
    I am the first person that has said I wanted all of our troops back home and not patrolling another country without a formal declaration of war.

    But back to those politicians...let's talk about US soil.  We don't have a disagreement on foreign policy.  Let's talk about politicians and their domestic policy.
    It would be hard to measure.

    I'm far from the expert, but my hunch is there are domestic policies that have hurt civilians. Recent political work such as Trump's health act lends support to what I'm postulating.

    * And I still think state sanctioned soldiers dying under the flag of the US is a legitimate comparison.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Ok fine.

    We agree that politicians do the most damage.

    So soldiers ensure the politician's will is imposed in regards to foreign policy.

    Who ensures that the will of the politician is enforced in regards to domestic policy?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Has this case presented itself in this thread?

    It's awful.

    http://www.today.com/news/levar-jones-video-cop-shooting-me-disturbing-1D80239682
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  • rgambs
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Has this case presented itself in this thread?

    It's awful.

    http://www.today.com/news/levar-jones-video-cop-shooting-me-disturbing-1D80239682
    Yeah, that one's crazy, he's lucky he is ok.
    I posted about it when it happened, I think.


    What happens in this case if there's no video, Thirty?
    Do you think Jones is taken at his word, or does the officer state that he said "hands up" and the suspect dove for the vehicle and came out with something in his hand?  
    Obviously they don't give a shit what Jones says about the command he was given, this would be a justified shooting.  
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    If witnesses can corroborate Jones' story, I would like to think charges could be laid or, at a minimum, the cop fired.

    The cop was clearly scared, jumpy, and didn't have the right disposition for the job. Racial bias more than likely contributed to his fear.

    Police work is tough work. At the end of the day, police people want to come home. As a result, poor judgement is exercised at times. Remember, there are countless stops that go routinely. It's these poor moments that tend to tarnish a nation's force.

    Remember also that police are only necessary because people act poorly. If people behaved better, we would have no need for law enforcement and none of these incidents would ever occur.

    Criminal behaviour is at the root of this entire situation.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    If witnesses can corroborate Jones' story, I would like to think charges could be laid or, at a minimum, the cop fired.

    The cop was clearly scared, jumpy, and didn't have the right disposition for the job. Racial bias more than likely contributed to his fear.

    Police work is tough work. At the end of the day, police people want to come home. As a result, poor judgement is exercised at times. Remember, there are countless stops that go routinely. It's these poor moments that tend to tarnish a nation's force.

    Remember also that police are only necessary because people act poorly. If people behaved better, we would have no need for law enforcement and none of these incidents would ever occur.

    Criminal behaviour is at the root of this entire situation.
    I agree with this post entirely once you get past that first paragraph.
    Witness statements don't mean much against a cop's word.  If they happen to be black witnesses, their statements mean next to nothing.
    This happened so fast, as it usually does, that they would never give serious credit to a witness who couldn't possibly have heard the command issued by the officer.

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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    rgambs said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    If witnesses can corroborate Jones' story, I would like to think charges could be laid or, at a minimum, the cop fired.

    The cop was clearly scared, jumpy, and didn't have the right disposition for the job. Racial bias more than likely contributed to his fear.

    Police work is tough work. At the end of the day, police people want to come home. As a result, poor judgement is exercised at times. Remember, there are countless stops that go routinely. It's these poor moments that tend to tarnish a nation's force.

    Remember also that police are only necessary because people act poorly. If people behaved better, we would have no need for law enforcement and none of these incidents would ever occur.

    Criminal behaviour is at the root of this entire situation.
    I agree with this post entirely once you get past that first paragraph.
    Witness statements don't mean much against a cop's word.  If they happen to be black witnesses, their statements mean next to nothing.
    This happened so fast, as it usually does, that they would never give serious credit to a witness who couldn't possibly have heard the command issued by the officer.

    Yah.

    I said 'I'd like to think'... but I'm not so foolish to suggest this is close to reality.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Has this case presented itself in this thread?

    It's awful.

    http://www.today.com/news/levar-jones-video-cop-shooting-me-disturbing-1D80239682
    Unbelievable.

    I wish you had not beat me to posting that though, now some obsessive leftist is going to accuse me of complaining about white genocide or how gun laws only apply to non-whites.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Has this case presented itself in this thread?

    It's awful.

    http://www.today.com/news/levar-jones-video-cop-shooting-me-disturbing-1D80239682
    Unbelievable.

    I wish you had not beat me to posting that though, now some obsessive leftist is going to accuse me of complaining about white genocide or how gun laws only apply to non-whites.
    Hang in there.

    The hornets nest will calm soon enough. 
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Has this case presented itself in this thread?

    It's awful.

    http://www.today.com/news/levar-jones-video-cop-shooting-me-disturbing-1D80239682
    Unbelievable.

    I wish you had not beat me to posting that though, now some obsessive leftist is going to accuse me of complaining about white genocide or how gun laws only apply to non-whites.
    It's on you to show you think differently than what you post in here. At least you're thinking about it. 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    All you have to do is go back to page 1 of this thread.  It is pretty easy to find.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    unsung said:
    All you have to do is go back to page 1 of this thread.  It is pretty easy to find.
    Links to police abuse don't reference what you said about white genocide. 
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    See thirty?
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,552
    What's he supposed to see?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Unsung may have made some off-hand comment- I didn't review the thread to find it and I don't care to. I've read 1000 of his posts. I know where he's at. He's different than me, but that's okay. His perspective is important and I don't see him hurting anyone on any level.

    If anyone has followed his posting history, they'll know that Unsung is not of the unsavoury ilk that views minorities with disdain unless that minority is an individual worthy of disdain (or if any form of government could be considered one).

    His blunt nature does not make him part of the problem as much as some want to make him out to be. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,181
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Unsung may have made some off-hand comment- I didn't review the thread to find it and I don't care to. I've read 1000 of his posts. I know where he's at. He's different than me, but that's okay. His perspective is important and I don't see him hurting anyone on any level.

    If anyone has followed his posting history, they'll know that Unsung is not of the unsavoury ilk that views minorities with disdain unless that minority is an individual worthy of disdain (or if any form of government could be considered one).

    His blunt nature does not make him part of the problem as much as some want to make him out to be. 
    If openly stating the you fear elimination of the white race and then follow it up with how you don't want to subsidize it doesn't reveal your true character, then I don't know what does. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and flies like a duck, by golly, it's a duck.
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  • dignin
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    Unsung may have made some off-hand comment- I didn't review the thread to find it and I don't care to. I've read 1000 of his posts. I know where he's at. He's different than me, but that's okay. His perspective is important and I don't see him hurting anyone on any level.

    If anyone has followed his posting history, they'll know that Unsung is not of the unsavoury ilk that views minorities with disdain unless that minority is an individual worthy of disdain (or if any form of government could be considered one).

    His blunt nature does not make him part of the problem as much as some want to make him out to be. 
    It's like we're reading different posts.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    In the first 18 pages of this thread, Unsung expressed more outrage and disgust for the police killing of dogs than he did for minority victims of police brutality, of any kind. His bias is clear for anyone wishing to see it.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    In the first 18 pages of this thread, Unsung expressed more outrage and disgust for the police killing of dogs than he did for minority victims of police brutality, of any kind. His bias is clear for anyone wishing to see it.
    He's been pretty consistent bashing cops regardless of who the victims were.

    He loves dogs and posted photos of them. 

    I still haven't seen that post. It doesn't sound fantastic standing by itself, but in what context was it offered?

    There are people who are blatantly racist that have been in these parts. As kooky as he can get, I'm not convinced Unsung is one of those people. He speaks to accountability and personal responsibility versus hatred and disdain.

    Anyways... I'm done defending him. I think he has a legitimate point re: liberal extremism demonstrating itself poorly though.
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