Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

Merkin Baller said:

OceansJenny said:

chitownp76 said:
Would you invite your ex to an award ceremony where you were being honored?.......awkward
Yeah well this is business, not personal.

How do you know?

None of us know what really went on behind the scenes, so how do you know it's not personal?

well of course it was personal back then. they didn't fire him because his drumming sucked.

Spiritual_Chaos · December 2016

HesCalledDyer said:
12 pages arguing over an okay drummer who appeared on 2 of 10 albums.

He was the drummer during the era that built their career and is the reason they are being inducted 20-25 years later.

The world will remember those 2 albums,more than any of the albums that followed.

Dissident_Canuck · December 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

OceansJenny said:

chitownp76 said:
Would you invite your ex to an award ceremony where you were being honored?.......awkward
Yeah well this is business, not personal.

How do you know?

None of us know what really went on behind the scenes, so how do you know it's not personal?
well of course it was personal back then. they didn't fire him because his drumming sucked.

Wasn't he fired because his personable, smiling, love-what-I-do attitude clashed with Eddie, who at the time was going through his morose, world-weary, moody, tortured artist, it's-a-struggle-each-day-not-to-kill-myself phase?

pdalowsky · December 2016

is it really worth arguing about? the rules are the rules, and its fairly clear whos going in. Isnt that it?

anyway would Dave even be able to attend? I swear i read there was a warrant out for his arrest unless i dreamt that

lolobugg · December 2016

Dissident_Canuck said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

OceansJenny said:

chitownp76 said:
Would you invite your ex to an award ceremony where you were being honored?.......awkward
Yeah well this is business, not personal.

How do you know?

None of us know what really went on behind the scenes, so how do you know it's not personal?
well of course it was personal back then. they didn't fire him because his drumming sucked.
Wasn't he fired because his personable, smiling, love-what-I-do attitude clashed with Eddie, who at the time was going through his morose, world-weary, moody, tortured artist, it's-a-struggle-each-day-not-to-kill-myself phase?

I always thought he got fired because he used too many cymbals, and he was breaking the NO-Press stance that they instituted during that period. He did some features in a drum magazine and he was possibly sponsored by instrument companies. don't really remember but it def came down to he and ED did not get along very well.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

pdalowsky said:
is it really worth arguing about? the rules are the rules, and its fairly clear whos going in. Isnt that it?

anyway would Dave even be able to attend? I swear i read there was a warrant out for his arrest unless i dreamt that

yes, but only in one state. can't recall which one.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

lolobugg said:

Dissident_Canuck said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Merkin Baller said:

OceansJenny said:

chitownp76 said:
Would you invite your ex to an award ceremony where you were being honored?.......awkward
Yeah well this is business, not personal.

How do you know?

None of us know what really went on behind the scenes, so how do you know it's not personal?
well of course it was personal back then. they didn't fire him because his drumming sucked.
Wasn't he fired because his personable, smiling, love-what-I-do attitude clashed with Eddie, who at the time was going through his morose, world-weary, moody, tortured artist, it's-a-struggle-each-day-not-to-kill-myself phase?
I always thought he got fired because he used too many cymbals, and he was breaking the NO-Press stance that they instituted during that period. He did some features in a drum magazine and he was possibly sponsored by instrument companies. don't really remember but it def came down to he and ED did not get along very well.

I never heard it being about anything but a personality clash.

fluff4u · December 2016

Ed didn't like Dave = Bye Bye Dave

Abe Froman · December 2016

lotsalemon said:

HesCalledDyer said:
12 pages arguing over an okay drummer who appeared on 2 of 10 albums.
Just an okay drummer??!!!

Yes. I agree he was just an ok drummer.

HesCalledDyer · December 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

pdalowsky said:
is it really worth arguing about? the rules are the rules, and its fairly clear whos going in. Isnt that it?

anyway would Dave even be able to attend? I swear i read there was a warrant out for his arrest unless i dreamt that
yes, but only in one state. can't recall which one.

Texas

Abe Froman · December 2016

Zod said:

HesCalledDyer said:
12 pages arguing over an okay drummer who appeared on 2 of 10 albums.
A drummer who played on 66.67% of pearl jam's most famous albums. The 2 albums he played on eclipsed the sales and popularity of the 7 albums followed his tenure. The RRoF is generally about the influence (and to the extend a popularity of the band). Pearl Jam's comes from their first 3 albums. All 3 albums were big, epic and huge. Without those albums they don't get nominated. So how do you snub a guy who was in the band for 2 of them?

It feels like the same argument I made why the the new members of KISS shouldn't be inducted. The legend of KISS was all done by the original lineup. Their legacy, their best (most popular/influential albums) etc... Even though the new members have been in the band for the better part of a decade they had almost no impact on KISS' legacy.

I think Dave A. had an impact. He was a member of the band during their most influential period on 2/3rd's of their most influential albums. As much as we all love the later albums. It's not Binaural or Riot Act that get's the band to the RRoF. It's Ten, Vs., and Vitalogy.

I dont necessarily agree with this. I don't think it is just the first three records that is getting them in. Its their entire catalogue + their continued relevance and definitely their reputation of being so good live for so many years. Not arguing against Dave A. by the way. I don't give a shit if he gets in or not just don't think he's as important/good as some make him out to be.

mcgruff10 · December 2016

If dave was there I would imagine it would be very awkward....why would you want that? Anybody could have drummed during that period; people didn't go to Pearl Jam shows or buy ten-vitalogy because of Dave.

Merkin Baller · December 2016

mcgruff10 said:
If dave was there I would imagine it would be very awkward....why would you want that? Anybody could have drummed during that period; people didn't go to Pearl Jam shows or buy ten-vitalogy because of Dave.

Exactly...... meg white could have played on those albums & they would have been successful.

Abe Froman said:

lotsalemon said:

HesCalledDyer said:
12 pages arguing over an okay drummer who appeared on 2 of 10 albums.
Just an okay drummer??!!!
Yes. I agree he was just an ok drummer.

+1

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

mcgruff10 said:
If dave was there I would imagine it would be very awkward....why would you want that? Anybody could have drummed during that period; people didn't go to Pearl Jam shows or buy ten-vitalogy because of Dave.

I disagree. some drummers are inconsequential. I think Dave K falls into this category. Dave A was a monster that allowed them to write those songs and play them live. watching Jack trying to play vs/vitalogy songs was like watching a fat guy on a treadmill.

Abe Froman · December 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:
If dave was there I would imagine it would be very awkward....why would you want that? Anybody could have drummed during that period; people didn't go to Pearl Jam shows or buy ten-vitalogy because of Dave.
I disagree. some drummers are inconsequential. I think Dave K falls into this category. Dave A was a monster that allowed them to write those songs and play them live. watching Jack trying to play vs/vitalogy songs was like watching a fat guy on a treadmill.

Funny how different we all hear this band. I loved jacks style. Even on Vs/Vitalogy songs. He was a beast live.

HughFreakingDillon · December 2016

Abe Froman said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:
If dave was there I would imagine it would be very awkward....why would you want that? Anybody could have drummed during that period; people didn't go to Pearl Jam shows or buy ten-vitalogy because of Dave.
I disagree. some drummers are inconsequential. I think Dave K falls into this category. Dave A was a monster that allowed them to write those songs and play them live. watching Jack trying to play vs/vitalogy songs was like watching a fat guy on a treadmill.
Funny how different we all hear this band. I loved jacks style. Even on Vs/Vitalogy songs. He was a beast live.

I love Jack and his style (Yield and No Code would have been incredibly different if Dave A were still in the band). I don't think Dave A could have pulled off his style. I just don't think Jack could keep up with the speed of Dave A's drumming, that's all.

HesCalledDyer · December 2016

Abe Froman said:

Zod said:

HesCalledDyer said:
12 pages arguing over an okay drummer who appeared on 2 of 10 albums.
A drummer who played on 66.67% of pearl jam's most famous albums. The 2 albums he played on eclipsed the sales and popularity of the 7 albums followed his tenure. The RRoF is generally about the influence (and to the extend a popularity of the band). Pearl Jam's comes from their first 3 albums. All 3 albums were big, epic and huge. Without those albums they don't get nominated. So how do you snub a guy who was in the band for 2 of them?

It feels like the same argument I made why the the new members of KISS shouldn't be inducted. The legend of KISS was all done by the original lineup. Their legacy, their best (most popular/influential albums) etc... Even though the new members have been in the band for the better part of a decade they had almost no impact on KISS' legacy.

I think Dave A. had an impact. He was a member of the band during their most influential period on 2/3rd's of their most influential albums. As much as we all love the later albums. It's not Binaural or Riot Act that get's the band to the RRoF. It's Ten, Vs., and Vitalogy.
I dont necessarily agree with this. I don't think it is just the first three records that is getting them in. Its their entire catalogue + their continued relevance and definitely their reputation of being so good live for so many years. Not arguing against Dave A. by the way. I don't give a shit if he gets in or not just don't think he's as important/good as some make him out to be.

Hit the nail on the head, Abe!

mcgruff10 · December 2016

HughFreakingDillon said:

mcgruff10 said:
If dave was there I would imagine it would be very awkward....why would you want that? Anybody could have drummed during that period; people didn't go to Pearl Jam shows or buy ten-vitalogy because of Dave.
I disagree. some drummers are inconsequential. I think Dave K falls into this category. Dave A was a monster that allowed them to write those songs and play them live. watching Jack trying to play vs/vitalogy songs was like watching a fat guy on a treadmill.

dave k was around for 5 minutes.
I don't think Dave A was a monster at all, different type of energy back then. If you would have put jack or matt in from 91-94 I'm pretty sure the result would have been the same.
and can you even compare jack to dave in regards to vitalogy songs being played live?

Ledbetterman10 · December 2016

It could have been ANYONE drumming on those records. This whole "he was the drummer during the height of their popularity holds no water with me because it's not like he was the reason for the popularity. Pearl Jam is four guys and insert drummer here. Frankly, I don't think Krusen deserves it either, but I'm not against it.

lolobugg · December 2016

Which Spinal Tap drummer was the best?

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