I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!
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The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.
It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
Those aren't the rules
Honestly, who gives a shit? "Pearl Jam" is getting in. Does it really matter if the Hall doesn't include a guy who played drums on two albums? Regardless of what members get inducted/invited, the band and its music are in. If that means Dave A to you, then that's all that matters. If it means Jack to you, that's all that matters. If it means all five to you, that's all that matters. This is silly to sit here and beat the dead horse over and over.
you made an incorrect statement, and he corrected it.
I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!
I can't understand why people are making such a stink over a drummer who's not much better than average.
Jack Irons had way more influence on Pearl Jam's sound, got them together & kept them together after Dave's departure, but all anybody cares about is some scrub who didn't have all that much impact in the grand scheme of things and as mentioned prior, couldn't adapt to the band, so they fired him.
I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!
I think some people like to carry Eddie's torch for him and can't think objectively.
Yeah, he effed up by not navigating the personalities of the band correctly. However his drumming was still awesome. He did get lucky that Ten blew up but he definitely held his own musically for those 3 critical years.
This is about recognizing talent and contribution to the music scene. I think his drumming helped drive the live shows and Vs and Vitalogy and should be recognized. That's just my opinion.
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I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!
Pretty much all of this. I don't think anyone is saying that MC *shouldn't* be getting in - just that Dave A should *also* be recognized. Fair is fair. And not to get into it, but Dave K getting inducted over Dave A would be like Dave Navarro getting in with Red Hot Chili Peppers just because he was in the band for what was little more than a hot minute.
Boom Gaspar really ought to be acknowledged for this as well. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned that.
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Boom has been a big part of the touring band for almost 15 years. One of the reasons (all the posts I've read is failing to mention) PJ is getting inducted is they are one of the best touring bands of all time. Lets give Boom a little credit too
I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!
I can't understand why people are making such a stink over a drummer who's not much better than average.
Maybe try to give it another thought if you're too dense to understand.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
At the end of the day... it's the band decision to invite him as a guest. And I'm fine with what they decide is best. We have no idea of the real back story. People accept conjecture as fact and assume a lot. The truth is we don't know what really happened. So we should leave it up to the 5 guys in the band to decide. They have the only opinion that counts.
100% spot on - all this nonsense about 'do the right thing' is only the opinion of people who think they know what the 'right thing' is.
No one here knows what went on behind the scenes, so if the guys in the band want to have him there as a guest, great. If not, great.
Enough of this 'do the right thing'.
True.
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Vs was the first PJ album i ever owned. I thought PJ was kind of crappy before this album. I also didn't think much of drummers in those days, but now I feel like a drummer makes all the difference between good albums and great albums.
Definitely not an exact science at the Hall: look at the Eagles. If I am not mistaken, all of the current and past members were inducted at the time.
If for whatever reasons it's just not possible to include both Dave A. and Jack, perhaps the most dignified way would be if the band did a Dylan with the Nobel Prize and just said a quick thank you in the press including thanking / acknowledging Dave A. and Jack and just don't bother showing up at the ceremony, This would be more consistent with their art shouldn't be categorised and put into a competition, which it somehow is with the RnRHOF (who's in, who's nominated many times and aren't in, who's not nominated, is hip hop RnR, etc.) and I think gives a nice closure to the issue of who gets in and who doesn't.
If they decide to collect their honours in April (they can do whatever they want), then I wait in hope that the guys find it in their good conscience to do something to make it happen so that both Dave A. and Jack are invited and honoured as equals with the rest of the guys... just like the Eagles.
Definitely not an exact science at the Hall: look at the Eagles. If I am not mistaken, all of the current and past members were inducted at the time.
If for whatever reasons it's just not possible to include both Dave A. and Jack, perhaps the most dignified way would be if the band did a Dylan with the Nobel Prize and just said a quick thank you in the press including thanking / acknowledging Dave A. and Jack and just don't bother showing up at the ceremony, This would be more consistent with their art shouldn't be categorised and put into a competition, which it somehow is with the RnRHOF (who's in, who's nominated many times and aren't in, who's not nominated, is hip hop RnR, etc.) and I think gives a nice closure to the issue of who gets in and who doesn't.
If they decide to collect their honours in April (they can do whatever they want), then I wait in hope that the guys find it in their good conscience to do something to make it happen so that both Dave A. and Jack are invited and honoured as equals with the rest of the guys... just like the Eagles.
I think you have the wrong perception of the band.
Eddie Vedder has inducted a couple of bands and doesn't seem to have anything against the Hall of fame.
Not a chance they won't be there.
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Jack Irons had way more influence on Pearl Jam's sound, got them together & kept them together after Dave's departure, but all anybody cares about is some scrub who didn't have all that much impact in the grand scheme of things and as mentioned prior, couldn't adapt to the band, so they fired him.
That's my $0.02.
Yeah, he effed up by not navigating the personalities of the band correctly. However his drumming was still awesome. He did get lucky that Ten blew up but he definitely held his own musically for those 3 critical years.
This is about recognizing talent and contribution to the music scene. I think his drumming helped drive the live shows and Vs and Vitalogy and should be recognized. That's just my opinion.
Boom Gaspar really ought to be acknowledged for this as well. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned that.
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If for whatever reasons it's just not possible to include both Dave A. and Jack, perhaps the most dignified way would be if the band did a Dylan with the Nobel Prize and just said a quick thank you in the press including thanking / acknowledging Dave A. and Jack and just don't bother showing up at the ceremony, This would be more consistent with their art shouldn't be categorised and put into a competition, which it somehow is with the RnRHOF (who's in, who's nominated many times and aren't in, who's not nominated, is hip hop RnR, etc.) and I think gives a nice closure to the issue of who gets in and who doesn't.
If they decide to collect their honours in April (they can do whatever they want), then I wait in hope that the guys find it in their good conscience to do something to make it happen so that both Dave A. and Jack are invited and honoured as equals with the rest of the guys... just like the Eagles.
Eddie Vedder has inducted a couple of bands and doesn't seem to have anything against the Hall of fame.
Not a chance they won't be there.