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Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

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    I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302

    NewJPage said:

    joseph33 said:

    The RHOF is a shit event. It's not about the art that is music,it's a social club created by Jann Wenner. If it's about impact on the listener,I don't see why Dave A. got snubbed.

    It's not a personal snub. The rules are the original and current lineup. It's the same for every band that gets in.
    Those aren't the rules
    Honestly, who gives a shit? "Pearl Jam" is getting in. Does it really matter if the Hall doesn't include a guy who played drums on two albums? Regardless of what members get inducted/invited, the band and its music are in. If that means Dave A to you, then that's all that matters. If it means Jack to you, that's all that matters. If it means all five to you, that's all that matters. This is silly to sit here and beat the dead horse over and over.
    you made an incorrect statement, and he corrected it.
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    I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!

    I can't understand why people are making such a stink over a drummer who's not much better than average.

    Jack Irons had way more influence on Pearl Jam's sound, got them together & kept them together after Dave's departure, but all anybody cares about is some scrub who didn't have all that much impact in the grand scheme of things and as mentioned prior, couldn't adapt to the band, so they fired him.

    That's my $0.02.
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    OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,187

    I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!

    I think some people like to carry Eddie's torch for him and can't think objectively.

    Yeah, he effed up by not navigating the personalities of the band correctly. However his drumming was still awesome. He did get lucky that Ten blew up but he definitely held his own musically for those 3 critical years.

    This is about recognizing talent and contribution to the music scene. I think his drumming helped drive the live shows and Vs and Vitalogy and should be recognized. That's just my opinion.
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    BV84003BV84003 Holt, MI Posts: 360

    I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!

    Pretty much all of this. I don't think anyone is saying that MC *shouldn't* be getting in - just that Dave A should *also* be recognized. Fair is fair. And not to get into it, but Dave K getting inducted over Dave A would be like Dave Navarro getting in with Red Hot Chili Peppers just because he was in the band for what was little more than a hot minute.

    Boom Gaspar really ought to be acknowledged for this as well. Not sure if anyone else has mentioned that.
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    Poor Boom
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,424
    I don't think people don't think he should be in. Just that some people are making him the only reason the band had success.
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302
    igotid88 said:

    I don't think people don't think he should be in. Just that some people are making him the only reason the band had success.

    I think I missed those posts
    6/26/98, 8/17/00, 10/8/00, 12/8/02, 12/9/02, 4/25/03, 5/28/03, 6/1/03, 6/3/03, 6/5/03, 6/6/03, 6/12/03, 6/13/03, 6/15/03, 6/18/03, 6/21/03, 6/22/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03, 10/3/04, 10/5/04, 9/9/05, 9/11/05, 9/16/05, 5/16/06, 5/17/06, 5/19/06, 6/30/06, 7/23/06, 8/5/07, 6/30/08, 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 5/4/10, 5/7/10, 9/3/11, 9/4/11, 10/11/13, 10/17/14, 8/20/16
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,424
    NewJPage said:

    igotid88 said:

    I don't think people don't think he should be in. Just that some people are making him the only reason the band had success.

    I think I missed those posts
    especially in the youtube comments
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302

    Poor Boom

    I'm sure he will be acknowledged, but he has never been an actual band member, kind of like Darryl Jones and the Stones
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,424
    NewJPage said:

    igotid88 said:

    I don't think people don't think he should be in. Just that some people are making him the only reason the band had success.

    I think I missed those posts
    Nobody would have argued if he had gotten in.
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    NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,302
    igotid88 said:

    NewJPage said:

    igotid88 said:

    I don't think people don't think he should be in. Just that some people are making him the only reason the band had success.

    I think I missed those posts
    especially in the youtube comments
    Ha, I try to stay away from those!
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    lolobugglolobugg BLUE RDGE MTNS Posts: 8,191
    igotid88 said:
    Excellent. This is the way you would want a former band member to act.

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    bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,931
    lolobugg said:

    igotid88 said:
    Excellent. This is the way you would want a former band member to act.
    Very classy of Krusen. Well done.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,419
    bbiggs said:

    lolobugg said:

    igotid88 said:
    Excellent. This is the way you would want a former band member to act.
    Very classy of Krusen. Well done.
    Really cool interview. Seems like a very humble guy and, as he says himself, it seems as though the other guys played a part in that maturity.
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    EB218946EB218946 Posts: 3,835
    my2hands said:

    I don't care which drummer does or doesn't get in.... none of these guys would be getting in if they didn't meet Eddie Vedder

    So true my2hands.
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    JbarkerJbarker Alberta Posts: 557
    I have it on good authority that Dave A was dissed because EV wanted to be the only one in the band with a soul patch.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    just let the guy in. wtf? he kicks ass and without him Vs and Vitalogy might have turned out completely differently
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,903
    vaggar99 said:

    just let the guy in. wtf? he kicks ass and without him Vs and Vitalogy might have turned out completely differently

    you re right. I skip any vs and vitalogy songs post spring 94.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    JbarkerJbarker Alberta Posts: 557
    mcgruff10 said:

    vaggar99 said:

    just let the guy in. wtf? he kicks ass and without him Vs and Vitalogy might have turned out completely differently

    you re right. I skip any vs and vitalogy songs post spring 94.
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    vaggar99 said:

    just let the guy in. wtf? he kicks ass and without him Vs and Vitalogy might have turned out completely differently

    He wrote this songs?
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
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    mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 27,903

    vaggar99 said:

    just let the guy in. wtf? he kicks ass and without him Vs and Vitalogy might have turned out completely differently

    He wrote this songs?
    He kind of wrote "go".
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
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    jp307677jp307677 Boston Posts: 415

    Poor Boom

    Boom has been a big part of the touring band for almost 15 years. One of the reasons (all the posts I've read is failing to mention) PJ is getting inducted is they are one of the best touring bands of all time. Lets give Boom a little credit too
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    I don't understand why people are so against him getting some kind of recognition at least. Its as if he did something to personally attack you and you are holding a grudge. We don't want him to tour again, just be acknowledged. How dare we!

    I can't understand why people are making such a stink over a drummer who's not much better than average.
    Maybe try to give it another thought if you're too dense to understand.
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    on2legs said:

    At the end of the day... it's the band decision to invite him as a guest. And I'm fine with what they decide is best. We have no idea of the real back story. People accept conjecture as fact and assume a lot. The truth is we don't know what really happened. So we should leave it up to the 5 guys in the band to decide. They have the only opinion that counts.

    100% spot on - all this nonsense about 'do the right thing' is only the opinion of people who think they know what the 'right thing' is.

    No one here knows what went on behind the scenes, so if the guys in the band want to have him there as a guest, great. If not, great.

    Enough of this 'do the right thing'.
    True.
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    Hobbes said:

    Perhaps Dave A. and Ed could hug it out onstage. Would only be slightly more awkward than that Dave Grohl/Courtney Love embrace.

    Haha.
    Hobbes said:

    I've got a shovel. We could bury the lock-box, like a time capsule, but then forget where we buried it.

    Is this an Al Gore reference?
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    Vs was the first PJ album i ever owned. I thought PJ was kind of crappy before this album. I also didn't think much of drummers in those days, but now I feel like a drummer makes all the difference between good albums and great albums.
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    stratmadstratmad Posts: 208
    Definitely not an exact science at the Hall: look at the Eagles. If I am not mistaken, all of the current and past members were inducted at the time.

    If for whatever reasons it's just not possible to include both Dave A. and Jack, perhaps the most dignified way would be if the band did a Dylan with the Nobel Prize and just said a quick thank you in the press including thanking / acknowledging Dave A. and Jack and just don't bother showing up at the ceremony, This would be more consistent with their art shouldn't be categorised and put into a competition, which it somehow is with the RnRHOF (who's in, who's nominated many times and aren't in, who's not nominated, is hip hop RnR, etc.) and I think gives a nice closure to the issue of who gets in and who doesn't.

    If they decide to collect their honours in April (they can do whatever they want), then I wait in hope that the guys find it in their good conscience to do something to make it happen so that both Dave A. and Jack are invited and honoured as equals with the rest of the guys... just like the Eagles.
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    stratmad said:

    Definitely not an exact science at the Hall: look at the Eagles. If I am not mistaken, all of the current and past members were inducted at the time.

    If for whatever reasons it's just not possible to include both Dave A. and Jack, perhaps the most dignified way would be if the band did a Dylan with the Nobel Prize and just said a quick thank you in the press including thanking / acknowledging Dave A. and Jack and just don't bother showing up at the ceremony, This would be more consistent with their art shouldn't be categorised and put into a competition, which it somehow is with the RnRHOF (who's in, who's nominated many times and aren't in, who's not nominated, is hip hop RnR, etc.) and I think gives a nice closure to the issue of who gets in and who doesn't.

    If they decide to collect their honours in April (they can do whatever they want), then I wait in hope that the guys find it in their good conscience to do something to make it happen so that both Dave A. and Jack are invited and honoured as equals with the rest of the guys... just like the Eagles.

    I think you have the wrong perception of the band.

    Eddie Vedder has inducted a couple of bands and doesn't seem to have anything against the Hall of fame.

    Not a chance they won't be there.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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