Only 2 Drummers Get In? RnRHOF. Merged

bootlegger10

Dave did ride the wave with them during their peak popularity.

Sarava

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

PJ_Soul

Sarava said:

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.

pjalive21

This story is being covered by every outlet right now...crazy

I guess if I was David A I would want to be nominated as well and rightfully so since he was with them at the peak of popularity... there's an argument that could be made for almost all of them Jack Irons in my opinion is the reason why the band is still going and did not dissolve after Vitalogy but I'm sure that's not a qualification to being inducted

hsohi

Let's give Sonic Youths drummer some love.

OceansJenny

PJ_Soul said:

Sarava said:

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.

They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

KC138045

Can Dale Doback get some love? He rocked the Catalina Wine Mixer.

Merkin Baller

I'm just amazed Pearl Jam has lasted over two decades without their driving force.

(Edited for grammar)

HughFreakingDillon

MedozK said:

jp307677 said:

BV84003 said:

^If Ten and Vs. weren't consistently in the top 2 or 3 most played albums on each tour I might be inclined to agree with you, at least about moving on from the past. Dave A made significant contributions to this band at one point in time and that should merely be acknowledged. Period.

Did Dave A write ANY of the music or lyrics, or for that matter have anything to do with the direction of the songs on those albums? I'm pretty sure the answer is "no". Those albums would have happened with or without him.

Dave A actually has writing credits on all of VS and a majority of Vitalogy. The band shared credits for a majority of those 2 albums.

the writing credits officially go to all the band members on those two albums, and they stopped that after dave was let go. he actually wrote Go and co-wrote WMA and Last Exit.

cuyler41

Rock and roll hall or not Dave A is an absolute beast behind the kit and will always the drummer of the best live gig I have ever seen.

mcgruff10

Merkin Baller said:

I'm just amazed Pearl Jam had lasted over two decades without their driving force.

Lol. Nice!

HesCalledDyer

OceansJenny said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sarava said:

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.

They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

Eddie Vedder didn't blow his brains out.

Spiritual_Chaos

HesCalledDyer said:

OceansJenny said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sarava said:

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.

They put Nirvana in with 3 albums, why not Pearl Jam? Without those first 3 and the explosion of popularity they would likely not be considered.

Eddie Vedder didn't blow his brains out.

So?

Spiritual_Chaos

Merkin Baller said:

I'm just amazed Pearl Jam has lasted over two decades without their driving force.

(Edited for grammar)

They recorded The Fixer and Olé without their "driving force"

DAVE A WOULD NEVER HAVE LET THAT HAPPEN!

:P

Spiritual_Chaos

Unnecessary for this ro polarise the board to this extent.

It's the internet and all.

But, I don't think anyone would have bat an eye if all the drummers were inducted or would have been all "why did Dave A get inducted?!?!"

So, lets all just agree that if would have been more "fun" if all members of the band through history would have been inducted. Now that didn't happen, so be it.

Instead of talking down Dave, or Matt or whoever have meant the most and such.

Pearl Jam as a band, all of their incarnations and everything they have accomplished should be indicted. Not some weird slice of the band.

Mmm.

Neil Young Decade is such a great compilation.

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Unnecessary for this ro polarise the board to this extent.

It's the internet and all.

But, I don't think anyone would have bat an eye if all the drummers were inducted or would have been all "why did Dave A get inducted?!?!"

So, lets all just agree that if would have been more "fun" if all members of the band through history would have been inducted. Now that didn't happen, so be it.

Instead of talking down Dave, or Matt or whoever have meant the most and such.

Pearl Jam as a band, all of their incarnations and everything they have accomplished should be indicted. Not some weird slice of the band.

Mmm.

Neil Young Decade is such a great compilation.

the band should be indicted??? on what charges???

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Unnecessary for this ro polarise the board to this extent.

It's the internet and all.

But, I don't think anyone would have bat an eye if all the drummers were inducted or would have been all "why did Dave A get inducted?!?!"

So, lets all just agree that if would have been more "fun" if all members of the band through history would have been inducted. Now that didn't happen, so be it.

Instead of talking down Dave, or Matt or whoever have meant the most and such.

Pearl Jam as a band, all of their incarnations and everything they have accomplished should be indicted. Not some weird slice of the band.

Mmm.

Neil Young Decade is such a great compilation.

the band should be indicted??? on what charges???

For kicking out the greatest drummer of all time.

Sarava

PJ_Soul said:

Sarava said:

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.

After vitalogy? That's different than what I spoke of, which was Matt joining (he joined after Yield). After Yield, yes they were basically a lock at that point to me. After Vitalogy, probably but not for sure. At that point they probably just needed to put out a few decent albums, to make the catalog deeper.

OceansJenny

Sarava said:

PJ_Soul said:

Sarava said:

This is a tough one. Matt has put in the the most time. But PJ was already on their way to the RNR HOF before he joined up. They were going in with or without Matt. I guess it's too bad they can't put them all in.

I wonder. Do you think that if PJ hadn't persisted after Vitalogy they would have been inducted? I honestly don't know. It's possible that if they hadn't stayed together all these years and stopped after 3 albums they and their first 3 albums would have lost a fair bit of relevance. It's possible that the way they endured after the early years had a big role in keeping those albums as relevant as they still are. Also, the RRHOF does really seem to take less popular yet outstanding work into serious consideration. PJ's earliest albums were certainly the most popular and successful, but they have had the full influence that they have by years and years of touring, building and keeping a relatively unusually dedicated fan base, and I'm sure the RRHOF folks have total understanding when it comes to the importance of the band's extraordinary endurance after their first few years and their consistent big presence in the music world. Not to mention the insane quality of the music that came after Vitalogy. In other words, PJ's most famous albums are far from the only thing that define their overall legacy in the music world. They alone may not have been enough to make them a shoe-in on their first nomination. I actually doubt they would have been if they'd broken up in the mid-90s.

After vitalogy? That's different than what I spoke of, which was Matt joining (he joined after Yield). After Yield, yes they were basically a lock at that point to me. After Vitalogy, probably but not for sure. At that point they probably just needed to put out a few decent albums, to make the catalog deeper.

When you look at pieces written on Pearl Jam's legacy, they always focus on 1991-1994 and briefly cover the rest in a paragraph or less. Hell, PJ20 did the same thing. While Pearl Jam post-1994 is important to us as fans, its not hailed as their best work by others, for better or for worse.

When it comes down to the RnRHOF, it's absolutely the first three albums and a nod of existence and survival for the following seven.

tkiggs

Well anyway, congrats to my favorite band!